Re: Blu Ray vs. HD-DVD (Keith- read this)


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"Keith G" <keith_g@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote


Thanks for the update, but that story was on the BBC 24hr News Service
yesterday - although I gather they will still do both on the 'Net and
in some 250 stores??

**No idea. It is, however, bad news for HD-DVD.


???


You seem to be implying that Bluray is 'superior' (??)

**That's because it is. I am implying nothing. I am stating it as fact.
Blu Ray has more capacity (both actual and theoretical) and stronger
copy protection schemes.


These are not issues that interest/bother me...

**YOU are not important. YOU are in a minority. It is the majority which
will determine the outcome. I was a supporter of Beta, because of it's
clearly superior visuals to VHS. My opinion was unimportant. As yours is
in this issue.




- if you Google
'Bluray vs. HDDVD' there is a ton of stuff blathering on about the
parlous state of affairs atm and speculating what Joe Soap will (or
won't) do in the short term, but I have yet to see a definitive
statement that puts one format ahead of the other on anything like a
technical basis?

**You're not reading enough. Capacity is the name of the game. Blu Ray
has


I thought it was image (and sound) quality that mattered

**Not specifically. As long as the visual and audible quality is superior
to DVD (which it is) and that the differences between the two systems are
miniscule (which they are) then the buying decisions will be made due to
other factors. Capacity, for instance.

- I read on one
of the HD vs BR pages that the extra capacity of BR would likely only be
filled up with 'movie extras' which are of no interest to me.

**You still seem to be hung on movies. The movie industry will not
determine the outcome. The movie industry will follow whatever the
computer/gaming industry decides. Your viewpoint is not relevant.



Asitappens, I will get my first experience of an HDTV close up (ie. not
in a showroom and barely looked at even then) in an hour or so from
now, when I hope to see some Bluray and HDDVD samples run from a
computer - the closest approximation to a 'Hi Def 'system that we can
get. So far, the only sample of a Bluray clip I have seen myself (also
on a computer) was most unimpressive with an obvious orange-peel effect
here and there and that general 'sandiness' you get from digital images
that have been 'sharpened', but that may well have been the
material....??


OK. I got to see the one Bluray and several HDVD clips on an HDTV (VGA
connection) earlier tonight and also ordinary DVD on an HDMI player
connected HDMI/HDMI.

IMO, the HDMI/ordinary DVD beat the HDDVD clip (Italian Job II) hands
down - there was equal sharpness in both images but the HDDVD picture was
much darker with less 'luminosity'. The one Bluray clip (Philips promo
'Follow The Blue Line') was much better than before, but I think the clip
probably sucks anyway - there was still the 'sandy' appearance on skin
tones and the 'orange peel' effect was still apparent. Pump this digital
photo I took of the screen up to get an idea - eyes, nose and mouth
areas, in particular:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Bluray%20Pic.jpg



**I do not, for one millisecond, believe that there are any significant
visual or audible differences between the two systems. The only areas
where one system will be beaten, will be:

* Availability of software (a win for Blu Ray).
* Capacity of the disks (a win for Blu Ray).
* Price of hardware (a push).
* Price of disks (a win for HD-DVD).


I see it like this (same order):

Nothing in it (ie not a lot available yet, either way).

**Wrong. There is a great deal in it, if a company like Blockbuster
decides to back Blu Ray.

Irrelevant if the extra space is only going to be filled up with 'Disk 2'
crap

**Absolutely relevant for the computer/gaming industry. And it is that
industry who makes the decisions.

Bluray kit is currently about twice the price of HDDVD.

**Only in YOUR geographical area. Everywhere else, the difference is
minimal.

Not a lot in it, especially rented...??

**Exactly.



Anyway, I think we all know where this latest fiasco ends up, it's just
a question of how (and how quickly) it gets there! As far as we are
concerned here, I do believe the 'moment' has passed for now....

**Agreed. Blu Ray has won the battle already.


From a *movie only* POV I don't think it has,

**You cannot examine this issue from a movie only POV. The industry is
much bigger than that.

but I don't really care -
from what I saw earlier tonight, an upscaling DVDP with HDMI Out is
actually preferable to HDDVD on an HDTV screen, so I can see why Yussef
Ordinaire isn't too bothered! Our own interest in 'higher quality' images
is really only for projected movies; until an 'HD Ready' projector was on
the cards for us also, there is no point in a single format player of
either flavour. So I'm quite happy to let it go for the time being.

(Tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing didn't follow SACD/DVDA
down the tubes....)

**Depends. If another system can come to market quickly enough, which
offers superior potential, then Blu Ray may fail. I doubt it though. The
demand for capacity is there and there is a small demand for HD to be
catered for as well.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au



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