Re: Blu Ray vs. HD-DVD (Keith- read this)


"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Keith G" <keith_g@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote


Thanks for the update, but that story was on the BBC 24hr News
Service yesterday - although I gather they will still do both on the
'Net and in some 250 stores??

**No idea. It is, however, bad news for HD-DVD.


???


You seem to be implying that Bluray is 'superior' (??)

**That's because it is. I am implying nothing. I am stating it as
fact. Blu Ray has more capacity (both actual and theoretical) and
stronger copy protection schemes.


These are not issues that interest/bother me...



- if you Google
'Bluray vs. HDDVD' there is a ton of stuff blathering on about the
parlous state of affairs atm and speculating what Joe Soap will (or
won't) do in the short term, but I have yet to see a definitive
statement that puts one format ahead of the other on anything like a
technical basis?

**You're not reading enough. Capacity is the name of the game. Blu Ray
has


I thought it was image (and sound) quality that mattered - I read on one
of the HD vs BR pages that the extra capacity of BR would likely only be
filled up with 'movie extras' which are of no interest to me.


Asitappens, I will get my first experience of an HDTV close up (ie.
not in a showroom and barely looked at even then) in an hour or so
from now, when I hope to see some Bluray and HDDVD samples run from a
computer - the closest approximation to a 'Hi Def 'system that we can
get. So far, the only sample of a Bluray clip I have seen myself
(also on a computer) was most unimpressive with an obvious
orange-peel effect here and there and that general 'sandiness' you
get from digital images that have been 'sharpened', but that may well
have been the material....??


OK. I got to see the one Bluray and several HDVD clips on an HDTV (VGA
connection) earlier tonight and also ordinary DVD on an HDMI player
connected HDMI/HDMI.

IMO, the HDMI/ordinary DVD beat the HDDVD clip (Italian Job II) hands
down - there was equal sharpness in both images but the HDDVD picture
was much darker with less 'luminosity'. The one Bluray clip (Philips
promo 'Follow The Blue Line') was much better than before, but I think
the clip probably sucks anyway - there was still the 'sandy' appearance
on skin tones and the 'orange peel' effect was still apparent. Pump this
digital photo I took of the screen up to get an idea - eyes, nose and
mouth areas, in particular:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Bluray%20Pic.jpg



**I do not, for one millisecond, believe that there are any
significant visual or audible differences between the two systems. The
only areas where one system will be beaten, will be:

* Availability of software (a win for Blu Ray).
* Capacity of the disks (a win for Blu Ray).
* Price of hardware (a push).
* Price of disks (a win for HD-DVD).


I see it like this (same order):

Nothing in it (ie not a lot available yet, either way).
Irrelevant if the extra space is only going to be filled up with 'Disk
2' crap
Bluray kit is currently about twice the price of HDDVD.
Not a lot in it, especially rented...??


Anyway, I think we all know where this latest fiasco ends up, it's
just a question of how (and how quickly) it gets there! As far as we
are concerned here, I do believe the 'moment' has passed for now....

**Agreed. Blu Ray has won the battle already.


From a *movie only* POV I don't think it has, but I don't really care -
from what I saw earlier tonight, an upscaling DVDP with HDMI Out is
actually preferable to HDDVD on an HDTV screen, so I can see why Yussef
Ordinaire isn't too bothered! Our own interest in 'higher quality'
images is really only for projected movies; until an 'HD Ready'
projector was on the cards for us also, there is no point in a single
format player of either flavour. So I'm quite happy to let it go for the
time being.

(Tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing didn't follow SACD/DVDA
down the tubes....)



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