Re: BBC - Police release train protesters


Graeme Wall schrieb:


That is a lot of the problem, istaed of looking at the problem holistically
too many people are looking at a simple metric and think the answer to all
the problems is to change that one metric.

The CO₂, which we produce artificially, is a metric, which we have under
control.

None of the CO₂ sinks is under our control, especially not under the
conditions of a changing climate. You are absolutely right, if you
think, that we shouldn't forget the CO₂ sinks, agreed any time, but the
problem is, that we can hold people responsible only for items, which
are under their control. For the CO₂ sinks, that's just an illusion.

USAmericans tell us about their great forests, but anybody, or almost
anybody knows, that they will have considerably more forest fires in
future. Plus the permafrost in Alaska will open up, releasing plenty of
CH₄. Canadians have told us about their great forests, but a little bug
has changed that in a few years. A little rise in temperature has been
enough: In the past, enough of these bugs had been killed by the
Canadian winters.
We will see plenty of such surprises, of which we don't know yet.


Given the rate of expansion of both economies, any figure is going to be out
of date before you can publish it.

A billion of people leaving the worst poverty behind is great news in
first place. And we can still take it for granted, that even for China,
the figures are less than half of the EU figures.
In /absolute/ figures, China is now the filthy bugger No. 1.



Canada wasn't in your list :-)

17t CO₂ / capita

I used the example, because those forests were their standard excuse in
negotiations.


The people taking the bribes are the politicians so the problem is how do you
deal with crooked politicians?

If we deal with those issues at home or within the EU, we not only deal
with the crooked politicians, but as well with the crooked companies
paying the bribes. As we speak (or write), Siemens gets hit quite hard
by German prosecutors.
Theoretically, the same should be true for bribery somewhere else. But
while the USA get upset about bribery in their own country, Cargill and
others are allowed to do what they want, in Brazil.

For Brazil, that's not much different than drug trade in the USA or
Europe: If the criminals have one hundred times the money available as
the police, on whom are you going to bet?


You've lost me there, which European countries are fighting which governments
to stop them bringing in land reform?

That's all history. In Cold War times, these were evil communists.
Though it needs to be added, that most of it was US policy, not Europe.
In any case, we still have that mess today, which should have been
changed decades ago.


48 to 36 against Lieberman-Warner certainly wasn't the result to hope
for, but it also tells us clearly, that "a change of attitude overnight"
is no longer necessary. Both McCain and Obama were in support of
Lieberman-Warner, we are told, though not there for voting.


It was a fairly anaemic bill as I recall.

Down to 50% by 2050, which would mean: German figures of today for the
USA by 2050, so "anaemic" sounds quite logical. On the other hand, they
have gained 20% or more over the Kyoto base year, so getting serious
about /reduction/ would have been quite a change of policy!


Hans-Joachim



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