Re: Strictly come dancing in the aisles ?



On 25 Feb, 09:50, dyonisien <jbourd...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 24 fév, 13:03, Mwmbwls <robertg.robin...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:> [...]
Mr High-speed Europe
Feb 21st 2008
From The Economist print edition
Guillaume Pepy, France's railway boss, is revitalising Europe's train
network

[...]

Praise hail a manager !
But "Mind the gap"...
...between the facts and the story painted in The Economist .

[...]
But the high-speed trains made barely any profit for their
first 16 years. That changed in 1997 when Mr Pepy took charge,
[...]

The investment for ~400km new HS line between Paris and Lyon was paid
entirely by SNCF on loans and was paid back in about ten years.
Could they at The Economist tell which HSL in the world was paid back
so easily ?
The subsequent HS lines to the southwest and to the north led to a
high debt of SNCF. Rather than been written off by the state, as in
Germany or in Spain, most of this debt was written away into the
accounts of the new created company RFF responsible for the
infrastructure.

Really? "In 1991, the government agreed to set aside FFr40 billion of
debt connected to the TGV... in June 1996, the French government
announced that it will take responsibility for two-thirds of the SNCF
debt, amounting to FFr125 billion"
http://www.jrtr.net/jrtr08/pdf/f31_bat.pdf

But even if German infrastructure costs were paid off directly by the
government whilst French costs were not, is there really a big
difference between these two cases?

1. A business that borrows lots of money to build infrastructure, then
has the loans repaid by government;

2. A business that borrows lots of money to build infrastructure, then
makes its own repayments - but needs regular government subsidy.

I think the difference is not so great.

Paris-Lyon is not the only part of the network, so I think it's a
little misleading to consider it in isolation (though it was
successful). It was the lowest-hanging fruit, and to expand the
network, it would be necessary to spend increasing amounts of money on
each additional passenger-km...

I've found a little through google:
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel3/1152/1871/00051917.pdf?tp=&isnumber=&arnumber=51917
http://www.uctc.net/papers/100.pdf
However, it would be good to see more detailed analysis. Can anybody
help? :-)
.



Relevant Pages

  • Re: 7 things about the economy
    ... There are also other infrastructure items like our failing sewer ... the US just continues to borrow money to create a few jobs. ... None of this is being paid for, more debt, the same kind of debt that caused this depression. ... It isn't really that government doesn't have the money for the right things. ...
    (rec.boats)
  • "Economic Suicide"
    ... Anybody who has been lending money to the US federal government by ... buying T-Bills and its other debt instruments received a brutal one-two ... The $8.2 trillion debt limit -- that has proven inadequate to ...
    (soc.culture.thai)
  • Q&A on the Psychology of Deflation
    ... "How can purchasing U.S. government debt instruments be a good ... How can government bonds possibly NOT be a good investment? ... but the other side of credit is debt. ... "Zimbabwe fell into hyperinflation after the government began ...
    (misc.invest.stocks)
  • Re: Anyone can interpret the past. I can predict the future.
    ... out loans to people they knew couldn't keep them up. ... Lack of government regulation and monitoring is what ... The 30% debt to income ratio that HUD required at purchase ... have no idea why my drill is a 3/8" drill, ...
    (soc.retirement)
  • Re: OT - The Laffer Curve
    ... departments of government" as I think there are reasons why ... Maybe you haven't been paying attention, but the national debt right ... balance the budget NOW, ... parts cut in all the departments of government. ...
    (rec.outdoors.rv-travel)