Re: We've used the wrong fuel, says rail chief

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 01:55:29 -0000, "MB" <mb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


"Charles Ellson" <charles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:13:05 +0000 (GMT), <trains@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

In article <47433ccb.276691188@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Neil Williams
<wensleydale@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
It gets very complicated. Car Derived Vans have the same limits as
cars but there are many small vans like the Ford Connect, the Renault
and Peugeot Kangoo size/style etc which look very like many of the Car
Derived Vans (and in some cases have cars derived from the van) which
have the lower speed limits of other vans i.e. 50/60/70.

Yet the car versions of said vans are not subject to the lower limits,
which is silly.

Is it because a loaded van will probably weigh more than a loaded car?

While there are car-derived vans as an official body type I don't
think there is a "mirror" type for anything produced the other way
round. I don't think the derivation is automatic consequent to someone
adding a van body to a basic car design as ISTR one of the smaller
Ford vans produced in recent years was clearly based on a small car
but not listed as a car-derived van (having a relatively large "cube"
rear body). One of the main differences will be the design of the
running gear and suspension where a van which is essentially a
windowless (and slightly bigger) estate car can usually be thrown
around as much as the car but a vehicle whose design has taken the
reverse path is likely to handle like a pig (or Morris Marina car) at
higher speeds.


Citroen Berlingo is available as a car and as a van, as is the Renault
Kangoo and a Peugeot.

From Daily Telegraph motoring section

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2004/07/09/emrjon10.xml


Van gosh

I am a retired academic who uses a light van for private motoring, a
Peugeot Expert 1·9 that is classified on its V5 registration document as a
light goods vehicle. On the windscreen disc it is graded LGV1. In November
2003 I received a speeding ticket for travelling at 57mph on the A5 in
Shropshire. The police confirmed that this stretch of road carries a
national speed limit of 60mph. I queried the notice and was told that my
vehicle is registered with the DVLA as a "light goods vehicle under 7·5
tonnes maximum laden weight" and as such is "restricted to 50mph on normal
roads". I accepted my fine and three penalty points but have queried my
vehicle's classification with the DVLA. What is going on?
N.M., Ross-on-Wye


a.. According to Hughes Guide to Traffic Law for the Enforcement Officer
(www.hughesguides.com), a "car-derived van" is subject to the same vehicle
speed limits as a car. Unfortunately an Expert is not a "car-derived van"
and the fact it has spawned a car does not alter that fact.

That would seem to be an example of the "mirror" I referred to where
there is an official body-type for a van design derived from a car but
not vice-versa. There is no fixed connection between the body-type and
the taxation class as the chap from Ross-on-Wye seems to have assumed.

Car-derived vans
are defined by being under two tonnes maximum laden weight.

As well as "constructed or adapted as a derivative of a passenger
vehicle". [Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984]

Vans above that
but under 7·5 tonnes m/w are restricted to 50mph on single carriageways and
60mph on dual carriageways. Drivers of mid-sized vans such as the Peugeot
Expert or Ford Transit Connect (some of which are CDVs, some light goods
vehicles) should be aware of this. It's all written up in The Highway Code.

.

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