Re: Full course question


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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:39:35 +0000, David Powell
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We work with an employment agency that has brought many qualified
(engineers and other disciplines) Polish workers to the UK (they do not
deal with fruit pickers etc). They have said that:

Would that be because we have a shortage of our own engineers?
Do you think that might have something to do with successive .govs
killing off the manufacturing base and telling everybody that our
future is in service industries...
So universities report a declining take-up of engineering places, with
ever more candidates wanting to be accountants or do business
management? Whilst traditional apprenticeships are discarded in
favour of cheap and cheerful 'modern' apprenticeships, which for the
most part teach sod-all?

Here, hear; well said... so the feindishnes is just an act :)



2 They have had numerous employers report that when a Polish worker is
placed within a workgroup at a UK company they invariably bring about a
significant improvement in the performance of the group as a whole
because of their positive attitude to work - not a reference to their
willingness to work overtime etc, just that they are enthusiastic to see
their workgroup succeed and that rubs off on the other (probably jaded)
staff.

I declare an interest, after demob I worked for a Polish company BCC in
Wembley.
They were the Polish group that were her during the war making the spy sets
and bombing beacons for dropping by parachute. after the war for political
reasons they could not go home. I found then very good to work with and they
were in the majority, but treated me like a favoured pet. I later worked
with a single pole on TV links and we got on well together and socialised,
he introduced me to my wife, (not sure if that is a plus or minus for the
Poles), I also had Polish friends in Australia, My oldest daughter's first
M-i-L is a Pole. On the whole I like the Poles and get along well with them.
However we do have a problem and so does Poland that the sudden exodus has
left a vacuum in Poland and caused a problem here. Perhaps we should be
running or encouraging an exchange scheme we obviously have a lot to learn
from each other and both would then benefit. We at the same time have many
other Eastern Europeans Germans. Italians wanting to come her to work,
similarly there should be an exchange. for political stability in the future
the better the mix with old links being maintained the more stable we are
from a repeat of WWI and WWII. Plus America is rather ruling the roost just
now and we could do with some balance, shortly China will be on stream and
we will have to deal with accommodate that problem as it arises, perhaps the
time is now to enter into exchange schemes with China with some government
intervention to help over come the pay differentials between China and
Europe.

Those that come her are mainly seeking adventure and advancement, our people
want adventure and cultural education and can see possible advantages for
them selves during the lengthy transitionary stage.
However Migrants must take on board that when they go to live in another
country that they can not expect Law and social behaviour to be the same,
migrants must accommodate themselves to their new home and not the other way
around. I saw too many of my English colleagues that wanted to bring their
kids up the English way whilst living in Australia. no good for the kids, at
the first chance they will be off. no good for the migrant they have not
entered truly into the spirit of the adventure, a misery for their spouse,
who now has a miserable partner and no family support at hand.

I went native and had no problems what so ever except a big problem of a
political nature, I expected my boss to stick to his part of our contract
and he wanted to rip me and all of my co workers to the extent of six
million a year by imposing harsh changes to conditions shift scheduling and
other methods detrimental to our health. Being proud and a fighter I was
elected to take them on in the courts, but the crooks were not going to give
up their booty easily and so I was the sacrificial goat.. apart from that
many friends, and mostly happy memories. Still correspond with many of them,
those that haven't popped their clogs that is.

Probably because the existing workforce see their jobs being taken
from them and given to imported workers - many doing the same job for
bare NMW rates. Wait until sufficient levels of resentment build up
and see what happens then... Or you could just look at the backlash
against foreign workers, in Austria, Italy, France and Germany.

Yes the Turks were burned alive and nobody has been prosecuted for that to
this day.

3 The employers have been impressed with the educational standard of the
Polish recruits, who have frequently identified worthwhile improvements
to products and processes.

Hardly surprising, given that taxes have been cut - the same taxes
that used to pay for education and training - to keep the
employers/executives of those companies happy. And then these same
employers/executives turn around and complain that there are too many
unemployed British people, without skills etc.

That is the usual small middle England old woman shop keeper Tory power
base.
Thery want the benefits of the black labour market, but don't want the
results of their policy.
have, cake, eat; comes to mind

Of course they're without skills. British companies no longer train
their workforces. Successive corrupt British governments no longer
have the political will/funds to educate/train the people adequately,
they're just interested in feather-bedding themselves for their future
life out of power.

that's about the size of it...

I have no doubt that immigrants who bring required skills to the UK are
of economic benefit though they are clearly not universally popular

Sadly we don't differentiate between the benefits that they bring and teh
competition that they provide.
If they had to get all of the benefits that indigenous people get in teh way
of pensions health etc immediately they arrive then wouldn't the competition
be better balanced?
Unlikely to happen to much profit for the greedy bad boys.


So I take it that you will be participating in the 'Shout at a Pole' week,
then?

gosh Nick how many characters to the line have you got set up?


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