Re: Goth killers now feeling hard done by

On 29 Okt, 17:35, "Lou Ravi" <j.mur...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Maria wrote:
Lou Ravi wrote:
Maria wrote:
DVH wrote:
"Two teenage boys who murdered a 20-year-old woman dressed as a
Goth by stamping on her head, will hear later if judges have
granted their appeal. Lawyers for Brendan Harris and Ryan Herbert,
both of Bacup,
Lancashire, believe their minimum terms of 18 and 16 years were too
severe."http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/7696709.stm

What can you do, when your whole premise of justice relies on the
notion of remorse? We obviously need a lot more prisons so that we
can keep this lot locked away for good. Or a nice contaminated
desert island somewhere.

Of course nothing can be done for these two idiots but what
criminology looks for is the reasons why they, as individuals or
parts of society, got to this point in the hope that if it it is
understood, if only in part, then perhaps it could redeuce the
liklelihood of it happengn again.
Many here would consider that nampy pamby leftism, but it is simple
good sense. Why do some people commit crime and not others? Just
punishing a crime solves nothing, understanding it may help.

Locking them up for good ensures that they can never ever stamp on
someone's head until they are dead, ever again.
Stick criminologists on the island if you like, so they can study
them. This was not a mistake, or a crime of passion, or anything like
that - it was a cold-blooded murder. We cannot afford to let these
people loose in our society - it is an infringement of the rights of
their would-be victims.
As for understanding people, I used to try to do that, and have
learned in my middle years that people tend to be programmed by the
time they are young adults - deprogramming them would take
brainwashing, which I expect would be resisted by human rights
defenders.

No you, and others, misunderstand me here. I am not saying that any time
should be spent understanding these people in order to alleviate their
responsibility or the gravity of their actions, no excuses, but to
understand how they got to that point in the hope that such knowledge
might help to nip in the bud similar potential cases.

With respect, the mechanisms on a macro scale are fairly well known in
both cases.
People rarely become the sort of person that kicks someone else to
death for no reason overnight, as I'm sure you realise. In almost all
cases, there will be a raft of escalating offences in their history.
Usually, they will have received no proper punishment (as in not even
the statutory sentence) for these escalating offences and will thus
not have been forced to make a cognitive connection between their
actions and the result and consequences of those actions. Not only
that, but they end up swaggering out of the court free men, sticking
two fingers up to the victim, the police who arrested them and the
society that their actions damage.
AIUI, that is what has happened in this case, as in hundreds of
others.

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