Re: FAO Friar Tuck II

On 27 Aug, 09:23, "Lie detector" <truthsee...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:09:41 +0100, Lie detector wrote:

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On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:04:10 -0700, parris_k wrote:

On 26 Aug, 19:19, FriarTuck <n...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:05:25 +0000, FriarTuck wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 08:22:30 -0700, parris_k wrote:

You claimed that Hanjour's turn (330 degree turn while losing a
couiple of thousand feet of height) before hitting the Pentagon
was a manouver "The Red Arrows would have been proud of".

How does this claim square with e.g. the JARS syllabus which has
student pilots achieveing such turns in their first lesson?
("Effects of controls") and able to do it WITHOUT losing height by
lesson 6 (i.e. after 6 hours of training, best case)?

What are your qualifications for making such assertions?

http://nzflyer.blogspot.com/2007/10/lesson-one-effects-of-controls-
as.html

you do sound ever so rational now... I'm almost lured into a
conversation... though closer examination seems to reveal you slyly
equating the turning circle of a cessna to the turning circle of a
757....

the first turn is an average airliner turn,

What do you mean by "average airliner turn"? Are you talking about a
standard rate turn?
And how can you tell the diameter of the turns from a diagram with no
scale on it?!

the final turn is pretty impressive.

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/docs/aa77_flight_path.png

Err.. the first one was done on autopilot. (see note E). That means it
would probably be a rate half turn - the diameter of that arc is
probably 10 miles or so. You have no idea of how "impressive" the
second one is without knowing the diameter of it or the speed it was
done at... and turning an aircraft isn't exactly difficult.

the diameter of turn 2 (the 330 after point F) is obviously about 1/4th
of turn 1 between C and D.

The diagram is nothing more that a rough sketch.

a quarter is a conservative estimate...

also turning an aircraft in a steep dive has a danger of entering a
"graveyard spiral"

pulling out of the turn at the right angle and then dealing with ground
effect for last portion of approach sounds pretty trick to me.

I'd say its pretty astonishing he got it right on first turn without
any beacon or ils...

Then if he didn't who did?

given the 2.3 trillion dollars rumsfeld announced was missing from the
defence budget alone, the day before the attack... I'd say a retrofit
remote control unit was not out of the question, or a beacon.

Get real. Who did it?

LOL. Don't mention the circumference!
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