Re: FAO Friar Tuck II

On 26 Aug, 19:25, FriarTuck <n...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:21:24 -0700, parris_k wrote:
On 26 Aug, 19:05, FriarTuck <n...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 08:22:30 -0700, parris_k wrote:
You claimed that Hanjour's turn (330 degree turn while losing a
couiple of thousand feet of height) before hitting the Pentagon was a
manouver "The Red Arrows would have been proud of".

How does this claim square with e.g. the JARS syllabus which has
student pilots achieveing such turns in their first lesson? ("Effects
of controls") and able to do it WITHOUT losing height by lesson 6
(i.e. after 6 hours of training, best case)?

What are your qualifications for making such assertions?

http://nzflyer.blogspot.com/2007/10/lesson-one-effects-of-controls-

as.html

you do sound ever so rational now...  I'm almost lured into a
conversation... though closer examination seems to reveal you slyly
equating the turning circle of a cessna to the turning circle of a
757....

What do you think woudl be the difference in technique, from a pilot's
point of view, of turning a  Cessna as opposed to a 757? Do the laws of
aerodynamics adapt themselves according to the aircraft?

the laws of aerodynamics are a set of equations, within which are
variables for aircraft size,

Nope.

weight,

Not directly.

power

Not directly

, angles

?

etc. which do affect
the aerodynamics of the aircraft, including its minimum turning circle,
obviously...

An aircraft at 80 kts in a 30 degree turn will, of course, have a
smaller turning circle than one at 240 kts and the same angle of bank,
but that has nothing to do with size, weight or power, just speed.

For the aircraft at 240 knots to turn within the same radius, it will
have to pull more "g" - essentially, it will become heavier which
means more lift is needed to keep it in the air and THEN power/weight
ratios will start to come into the picture. A way behind the
aerodynamic characteristics of the wing, though.

The techniques for pulling such turns would be the same in a Cessna as
in a 757 though.
i.e. - what the pilot learned in their 6th hour in the air woudl be
just as applicable - in fact, all he'd need.












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