Re: yet another loss for the socialist labour party....another small nail in the coffin of socialism...

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:19:58 +0100, Alang <invalid@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:50:56 +0200, abelard <abelard3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:36:37 +0100, Alang <invalid@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:23:24 +0200, abelard <abelard3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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don't be so daffy....as yet no suggestion has been made
of 'freezing them out of society' or 'denying them jobs'

That certainly happened. The most notorious examples being the MI5
vetting of anyone wanting to work in broadcasting and the assistance
given by state employees to the economic league

i'm far less concerned when a socialist loon is kept out of a
sensitive government post than i am when some bnp dope
is refused a job stacking shelves....

OTOH I am very concerned when anyone is kept out of work because of
their political beliefs. As long as they don't introduce them into the
work place they should be ignored. This was not the case with the
economic league or MI5. The latter involved itself in politics which
is constitutionally incorrect.

i can't take so complacent a view of leftist...
socialist agitators in union did much to destroy uk industry....

you respond as if socialism is some innocent and naive
hobby....you may take such a view of quakers....but not of
socialists

you're rationalising what you wish to believe

LOL!
You're ready to worship Blair Mk2

please don't get immature when you can't make a convincing
argument....
i expect better standards from you

You can't see the similarities between the tory party and Blair labour

very very little....they mostly have approximately the same number
of legs of course

Same authoritarian centralisation nanny knows best the people are
state property. I realise you don't actually live here so your
knowledge of UK life and politics is second hand distortion via the
Telegraph, Times, Express and Mail but even they have started coming
out against the growing police state in the UK now.

i moved after very careful analysis of the growing destruction
of the rule of law in the uk....
it is reasonable to regard me as a political exile....

to claim the second is more than dubious

There were calls from tory mps

'tory mps' is not thatcher....
thatcher is complex but a rather narrow personality....
she's a fussy mother in law....she's also female....

Tory MPs were her backers

true...but do you have a relevant point?

She didn't deny them. If she thought she could have got away with it
the miners leaders would have been interned and work camps set up for
the unemployed

i see no evidence of that....there was no advantage or profit in
such actions...

I saw evidence of it. Roadblocks, Men and women arrested on suspicion
then bailed without trial, Colliery villages taken over by police and
cut off from the rest of the country. The only reason internment
didn't happen was because even the press of the day would have shied
away from it.

i'm not much enamoured of paramilitary organisations attempting
to grab power by force....
that is what the leftist unions were attempting....

i have very little sympathy for them...

beyond that unions are merely conspiracies against the poor and
against the public interest

the miners were dealt with effectively....

A national resource was destroyed and whole areas of the country were
left destitute.

the mining industry was ridiculously inefficient....
cheaper coal is available from around the world...even when
shipped thousands of miles....
mining in the uk was a dangerous and unhealthy pursuit..a
residuum from a past era....
britain...and miners benefited greatly from the end of the
brainless troglodyte existence....

the industry was heavily subsidised from the much more
productive efforts of others....

it is socialist who tend to incarcerate and kill those who deviate
from this week's alleged party line....

A point I agree with. Your Bitch Goddess was as much a socialist as
any other

see below...

in the mid 80s for 'work camps' to be
set up. The dismantling of ancient rights and liberties continued. The
foundations of the police state made firmer. See the 'Zircon affair'

you are still confusing statism with cult socialism...
locking up nuisances in times of strife is a common behaviour

There is no difference

'no difference' between what and what?

No difference between the state and socialism. You can't have one
without the other

of course there are differences....
the state can function just fine without socialism....
and

No it can't.
Socialism is taxation.

your 'definition' is such as to make it meaningless....which
is of course your objective....
all societies pool some resources....the problem with socialism
is that theft extends infinitely....and with it the grab for
power...
taxation is a religious dogma for socialists....not a pragmatic
political choice according to conditions

socialist loons can also hold their prayer meeting and pass
dopey resolutions in wooden huts without the state

there are always differences.....no two breaths are 'the same'
the concept of 'the same' is deeply irrational

That's correct. Some are more socialist than others just as some are
more authoritarian than others

that's not well defined enough to evoke and useful comment

Yes it is. You just don't want to think about it

no it isn't....and as such there is no substance to think about....

Fools do not get to run a country for over a decade.

yes they do....little men who shuffle paper for the party and wait
for the boss to die off....bit like bormann or stalin.....

Not in british politics

don't be daft....what else is the clown!!!
or several of the other space wasters in this ridiculous 'government'

he doesn't have the fanatical belief system of the typical religious
maniac....
bliar is a social animal....a charming idiot.....

None so blind...

i cannot see what you don't indicate....

Your hero is Blair Mk2

no two people are the same....

it is amazing to watch you socialists now trying to put down cameron
by calling him bliar like....after first worshipping bliar for
10 years.

I recall you praising Blair in his first years in office.
And Brown too IIRC.

you recall no such things...stop making it up as you go along

cameron is vastly more intelligent...and sane...than bliar, let alone
the clown

Don't be silly. Cameron is just another wannabbee tabloid politician.
Like Blair or Brown, not stupid but willing to ride the power line of
political office for the gain it gives them.

you're repeating nonsense at that point...

any politician seeks power...that is totally different from
those seeking to promote a cult like socialism or jihadism

regards

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