Re: And they wonder why we don't vote.

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 20:49:21 +0100, Thored<invalid@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:35:58 +0200, abelard <abelard3@xxxxxxxxxxx>

so what....
many others haven't....mostly it's a matter of chance.....

No it isn't. It is a matter of commitment. When people married in the
last couple of hundred years they did so in the knowledge that getting
out of it was well nigh impossible. Because of that belief they worked
at it. That commitment started disappearing when easier divorce was
made available.

or spent a life railing at one another and hating one another...
or a life of violence, poverty and drunkenness

no human can see 50 years ahead....to believe otherwise is
delusionary....

You don't have to see 50 years ahead to make a commitment

which is more a purpose that a commitment

guessing right is not knowing....

You don't guess. You work to make it so

if you are capable...if the other will cooperate....if the other
is sufficiently socially fluent

all this recent history you quote was in an era when most marriages
didn't last 20 years because of short life spans....

Bollox

now you're being silly....
look at parts of africa with 35 years expectations.....
why do you suppose it was different in most places a hundred
or 200 years ago

in most of that history, a great proportion of the population didn't
bother with marriage...even among those that do, a varying %age
(between 5 and 30%) of offspring don't have the daddies they
think they have....

I'l not argue with that

where marriage does persist...it is usually by virtue of heavy social
pressures...eg stoning....usually females....

Only in the primitive social areas.

henry 8

all you have is a comforting myth....

I have evidence and experience

naturally....sounds like you got lucky....and you're not exactly dim

It is the change in attitude not the understanding. Marriage is now
seen as something that can be rejected if one or both decide it is too
hard for them to work into their relationship all the little
concessions to the other that make it work. One of the few things me
and the religious fruitcakes agree on.

yes, you're an idealist...a socialist....

So are you

pah

of course you have beliefs congruent with other religions

i doubt if most 50 yo's do....

I doubt most 50 yr olds will be considering being around in another 50
years. They might consider a 20 year duration

very likely...but average life span is steadily increasing.....
most humans can't see ahead by a week....

they do fool themselves that they can....just like you are

You have limited understanding of social grouping.

there are 6billion plus and a lot of other creatures......
my prime study is behaviour....

of course my understanding is limited or i'd have stopped studying

as nero wolfe says
"I trust myself implicitly. Anyone else will do well to make
certain of our understanding."

Nero Wolfe was a fictional character invented by Rex Stout.
Not real

don't be silly....rex stout wrote the stuff.....it is full of the
wisdom he gathered throughout his long life....
nero wolfe is as real as you are

That's Rex Stout.
Repeat. Nero Wolfe is not a real person.
Neither is Sherlock Holmes or Sexton Blake or Buffy the Vampire
Slayer.

you may well be right about sherlock and sexton or buffy....
but nero is real....

And there are far better quotations from the latter

i await you impressive list....
here is mine
http://www.abelard.org/nero_wolfe.php

regards

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