Re: What a disgrace

On 23 Oct, 13:34, jake <j...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:36:30 -0700, Robert S <roberts2...@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:



On 23 Oct, 02:24, jake <j...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:27:35 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

<dirk.bru...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I think people need to decide which offences warrant prison because
there just is not room for the numbers being sent down. It should be
about what works rather than an instinctive sense that prison is the
best sort of punishment - for some prison may be needed for public
protection but few will be locked up for ever which leads us back to
the issue of what works best for public protection and prevention of
re-offending once they come out again.

Find out how Singapore keeps their crimerate so low.

It really makes me feel disgusted to be British. I am ashamed of the
way my own country is been run - but like most of use here, unable to
influence pretty much anything.
To punch an old man so hard he looses sight in one eye and then the
culprit not to be sent prison for it is unutterably pathetic. And
what penalty would I exact (not that anyone cares). I would have the
waster skewered on a large spike on Tower Bridge. And yes I would
insert the skewer myself. And yes if it was blunt so much the better.
And yes, I guess I must be evil for suggesting such a punishment for
this poor oppressed "British" person.

I think that would be going somewhat over the top.

I agree. But that's where not going "anywhere near" a just punishment
leads in the end. A breakdown in any regard for the law and people
eventually take the law into their own hands. I'm not advocating it -
but just think that's where we are heading with the pathetic
"sentences" we hear about. I suspect you correctly read into my reply
that it was merely an intentional overreaction to try and highlight
what many, otherwise reasonable, people will end up feeling/doing.
Just imagine for eg that that old guy was your own dad and someone did
that to him. Methinks you would perhaps want the honour to wield the
spike in my place. (?) It is getting to the point where an element of
emotional response is perhaps justified.

Yes, it is emotive and I understood your intentional exaggeration.

On the one hand there are ever more unnecessary laws and regulations.

On there other hand, horrible acts like this receive paltry levels of
punishment.

It is deeply corrosive for society.

I think the two things principles that need to be enshrined in law
are:

1. A victimless crime isn't a crime. Simple, but this isn't the case
now, far from it.

2. Punishment for crimes should be first about retribution and
revenge, and rehabilitation should come a distant second. This doesn't
seem to be the case at all right now.

.

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