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An example of his intellectualism:

Intellectualism? lol. Griffin wouldn't make such a claim.
Intellectualism is the stuff of the liberal/left

Intellect certainly isn't very obvious in the BNP..

Intellect is not the same as intellectualism...

I know. The BNP lacks both, it woudl appear.

- The BNP certainly understands the situation well enough to have the
powers that be in an almighty tizz.

I think you overestimate yourselves..





There are some very bright people in the BNP,

Griffin's no fool, certainly.

some quite bright people and some not very bright people -

I suspect it is rather more pyramid shaped than most political
organisations..

- Meaning what?

Well, you've proved mypiont quite nicely. Meaning that the top of the
pyramid contains one or two clever people but as you go down the
organisation you encounter vast amounts of, for want of a better word,
meatheads.








but what they all have in common is
their disgust with the traitors who currently rule the country and a
determination to put in their place a leadership that has as its
priority the welfare of the ethnic Briton.

- the BNP like all folkish nationalist movements bases itself on
more than just reason.
Spirit and soul are important elements of our lexicon - something
you
leftists know nothing about.

At least you admit you are an illogical bunch, completely out of
touch
with reality.

Logical,

But you've already admitted you subjugated logic to "spirit" and
"soul"m, haven't you?

- I admitted no such thing. I merely stated that there is more to the
BNP than reason - such as spirit and soul.

YOu were tacitly agreeing with Griffin's comment about his Holocaust
denial. i.e. you pout "spirt and soul" before facts or truth.







commonsensical, and acutely aware of the reality of 'diverse'
Britain and the horrors of mass turd world immigration.

"He says that he derided the Holocaust only because the Left
used
it
as "a huge moral club" with which to beat opponents of
multiculturalism."

In short, facts and events are a matter of political
convenience
rather than reality.

What do you know of facts? The most factual historian is Irving,
whom
you deride.

LOL! Which explains why he's been proven a liar in court twice
now,
I
suppose.

By politically motivated courts.

Any, you know, evidence for that rather ignorant assertion?

- The courts acted on behalf of a society that has its own myths to
uphold


So no evidence, just more ridiculous assertion. I see. "Soul and
spirit" triumphs over truth and accuracy again!





He's a long, long way from the "most factual" anything, let alone
historian.

His books will be read long after establishment 'historians'.

I doubt it. But so what even it were the case? So will Harry Potter
books.

- The hp books will soon date, Irving's won't because their
explanations make more sense than the establishment's.

So you think it's more important that books presented as history "make
sense" than that they contain historically accurate information. I
see..




But once again, let's highlight that the BNP chooses to ignore
reality
simply to try an annoy people.

The BNP does what it does,

Ignores reality? I tend to agree.

if some people are annoyed by it then that's tough.

I think most people just laugh at you, really.

- No. The establishment fears us and our potential. A growing number
are convinced by our argument and the rest will tag along when the
writing on the wall becomes clear to them.

These sorts of laughable assertions are why people mostly laugh at
you.


" He now accepts that millions of Jews were killed, but claims
that
some historians (he cites David Irving) still question whether
it
was deliberate genocide."

Irving is not a historian. He is a non graduated physicist.

Irving is a writer of history who bases his history on facts
alone.

..and he has been proven to manipulate, distort and lie about
those
facts to fulfill his political agenda. Which takes us back to
ignoring
reality for politics.

He's been persecuted to further his opponents' political agenda.

Rubbish. For one thing, in the Penguin trial, IRVING sued Lipstadt!
For another, what was the political agenda that saw hom proven a liar
for his claims about PQ17?

I mean, you have actually investigated Irving's career, haven't you?

- No.

Ah. So it's your "spirit and soul" that lead you t omake assertions
about the veracity of his work rather than an examination of the
facts.

I've read some of his books. I've read his argument about the state and its opposition to his theses and I am
convinced by what he has to say.

The state in question being the state of reality, no doubt.





He should be measured on that and not on any 'qualifications' the
establishment has or has not bestowed on him.

He has been measured on that, and found extremely wanting. IN
courts
of law. Twice.
The man is a proven liar and criminal who has attempted to stifle
other's freedom of speech.

He made the mistake of trying to defend himself and expecting to be
treated fairly in politically motivated courts.

LOL. More assertion without evidence 8and in contradiction of the
facts! Is this the BNP's policy of ignoring reality in action?

- The establishment's facts?

Nope. I suggest you actually investigate Irving's career and life
history a little bit.

HOw was he "making the mistake of defending himself" when he wrote
such egregious lies about Jack Broome and convoy PQ17, for example?


- The BNP is facing reality

and ignoring it completely.

- hence its growing popularity.





If the actions really were non deliberate then they must be the
pinnacle of carelessness and moreover it was specific groups
that
were the targets of this "carelessness"

"The rules of warfare on the Eastern Front allowed 50 civilian
hostages to be shot for each soldier killed in a partisan
attack,
Griffin states without trace of irony. "When you consider that
the
communists claim the partisans killed at least 10,000 German
soldiers, that would account for five million people being shot
to
death."

Whose rules

The Germans.

Does that stop it being a war crime?

I didn't say that it did.

and were the partisans members of these self same groups?

Many of them were.

The generation and play on fear coupled with the distortion of
reality:

"About 70 people are packed into a back room of the Golden Lion
pub,
with not a skinhead or pair of Doc Martens in sight and more
tweeds
than T-shirts. They are male and female, young and old, working
class and middle class, ex-Labour and ex-Tory, several of them
Daily
Telegraph readers. They are mostly solid Yorkshire folk who
have
watched immigrants transform areas i n which they grew up and
believe - rightly or wrongly - that their way of life is under
threat. They are bewildered more than hate-filled. They are
fearful
more than fear-inspiring, and feel gagged by political
correctness.
They do not come from sink estates. They are stakeholders,
people
with something to lose."

"Griffin and his fellow speakers do nothing to calm their
fears.
Quite the opposite."

Over 90% of people living in these islands are of course white
British. Those who aren't come from disparate groups as alien
in
background and culture to each other as they are to the white
British.

"He is a shameless populist. He calls the rise of the BNP "a
peasants' revolt". He talks of "our people", meaning whites. He
mocks those who regard criminals as victims, advocates "damn
good
thrashings" for wayward teenagers, and says of drug-dealers:
"Hang
the bastards."
The audience loves it, but this is more than knockabout
political
rhetoric. Griffin firmly believes all this. Party policy -
which
he
sets - is draconian and xenophobic. "

And its members call the rest of us "sheeple"

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