Re: Supressed Report..................

On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:08:26 +0100, fred_eg_bowinatuck wrote:

"FriarTuck" <all@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.04.05.17.56.16.154080@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

When you have already said everything is toxic, and I agreed with you?

I don't think I did say everything was toxic, but that it is possible to
die from pretty much anything if you consume too much.

I think that definition is pretty close to a definition of toxicity.

'the impact of an external substance and its deleterious effects on living
things:
A central concept of toxicology is that effects are dose-dependent; even
water
generally not considered to be toxic can lead to water intoxication when
taken in large enough doses, whereas for even a very toxic substance such as
snake venom there is a dose below which there is no dectectable toxic
effect.'

Amount of a substance that can be handled by a body before it is harmed!


dont tell me what I told you, foo, I said water (clean anyway) is so
low on the toxicity scale as to be insignificant.

However, rat poison is still very poisonous to humans and you have yet to
come up with any substance that is toxic to rats but safe as water for
humans.

I made no reference to 'as safe as water'! Show me where I did?


No I asked you to prove rats were unsuitable for testing by showing
something that was toxic to them and not toxic to humans. Water (clean)
is toxic to neither species in any significant way or do you dispute that
as well?

I know that rat resistance/behaviour to disease is different so they are
not suitable for modelling cures to certain diseases, but the fact remains
if something is a poison to rats it is reasonable to be aware from this
warning it is probably also a poison to humans.

So, whatever the dosage of GM spuds those russians fed those rats appears
to be an LD50.

If rats die from eating those GM spuds, I'd rather let you eat them first
and see if you die before I try anyway.

'Chlorophacinone is a chlorinated, diphenyl indane derivative; an
anti-coagulant and metabolic inhibitor which is highly toxic to rodents
but of only slight toxicity to humans and other non-target organisms.'


that is not true, plain and simple, it is poison to mammals and fish (no
data for birds, but quite possibly them as well).

I know, you are trying to hide the fact you changed your mind about 'rats
much better imune system and environemnt makes things less toxic to
them'.

Not at all, that there is one group of chemicals that are slightly more
toxic to rats than humans does not prove the majority of poisons are.

I hear ground shifting!

Landslide!

Victory is Mine! :)
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