Re: Hate crime and its implications for this newsgroup

On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:52:17 +0100 'Aramis Gunton'
posted this onto uk.politics.misc:

In message <cjb6e2lr1vu0emneqgvbqr6plfb69qk3kt@xxxxxxx>, hummingbird
<RHBIYDTNPPAX@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes
Funny though how many of them hold down 'executive jobs' and the like.

I don't find it at all funny. I've spent my career in professional
management and it's very difficult to be racist in that role after all
the training you get.

'Training'???

Is this a pre-determined range of criteria that excluded 'unacceptable'
thought patterns?

Doubtless you should become a management trainer and produce an army
of racist outputs who are more interested in eh racism than managing
their patch. What do you think?

Alternatively you accept that it's necessary to put such issues aside
if you want to become a successful manager.

Take your pick.

I ask because an acquaintance contracted into a local authority
department dominated by lesbians was admonished for referring to the
originally purchased software CD as the "Master Disk".

Just too 'gender specific'

There's no end to PC. Don't blame me.

But it begs the question of how *you* might manage a dept with a
lesbian in it, if you were personally disliked lesbians etc. Have you
got the stature to rise above your personal dislikes and treat the
said lesbian fairly?


I find that most (*not* all) of those who show public Islamophobia and
racism come from the blue collar members of society,

You may be correct but surely this is as a result of circumstance.

If you mean that they are more likely to live/work in neighbourhoods
with many immigrants, I agree.

But it's also possible that they haven't got the brains to think and
allow their personal prejudices to influence their behaviour.

Those in the how shall we say... higher echelons of society may well
have the economic wherewithal to completely avoid the unfortunate
realities of 'diversity' whereas the 'blue collar' unfortunates are
often more liable to be left on the shore when the Tsunami encroaches.

I think I understand you. See above.
But in Wimbledon where I live there are many South Asians not too
far away and they don't bother me, and I don't feel frightened of the
risk of being blown up by a suicide bomber each time I walk into the
Centre Court Shopping Mall.

As said before, most of the violence I see is by drunken white chavs
- often of the female variety - vomiting on the pavements at 1.00am
after being ejected by the local night clubs.

What should I say about this to a local South Asian who looks on with
a disgusted look?

Zionists - and in America it's the rednecks. abelard belongs in the
Zionist group and Bill O'Reilly probably the former etc.


Are you not engaging in stereotyping here?

Only in a mild sort of way.
IME those in the higher echelons of society (your words) tend to avoid
such trivial subjects and have got better things to occupy their brain
cells, although I accept that racism etc can cut across social groups.

I think if you lurk on usenet for a few mili-seconds, you will see it
really does exist. It's amazing how some old hands are crawling out of
the woodwork and revealing themselves.

Can't be arsed to track people in that way. I am only interested in the
immediacy of it all.

Your choice.


Indeed, the free market approach.

Don't let education get in your way.

For a start few could give even a cursory explanation as
to just what islam consists of. They simply have little time or indeed
interest for religious mumbo-jumbo.

This is a major part of the problem.

A problem you perceive as a problem!!

Zero knowledge of Islam doesn't stop people creating a whipping boy.

I think you do people an injustice.

You wouldn't say that if you read some of the comments here.

I read the vast majority of comments here!!!

But you choose not to do so.

See above

And you still think Islam hasn't become the latest whipping boy?

This is England and the vast
majority of the people of whom I talk are English as were their kin.

Me too.

As you profess.

Indeed.


They have witnessed in a dangerously short period of time an influx of
aliens into a previously homogenous island.

We all have eyes. I've commented on NuLab's open doors elsewhere.

OK!

Whereas you rant on about Pakis and Asians, they bother me less than
the swarms of scraggy Eastern Europeans, Jamaicans and African blacks.

I do not 'rant' I merely pass comment. That you perceive my
contributions as 'rants' leads me to believe you adhere to an agenda of
your own.

I have no agenda because I don't have a solution. But you can hardly
deny that the various aspects of racism are not one of your favourite
hobby horses. Or maybe I only read your posts on this topic!

An agenda I note includes a quite rampant distaste for 'niggers'

Note!!! 'Niggers' not 'blacks'!!!

Lol. As I said to fraudy, everybody is a little bit racist (whether
they admit it or not) and my personal mild dislike from a social pov
are as listed.

It may help you to understand this if you bear in mind I've lived in
Brazil where there are large numbers of African blacks left over from
the slave days and some are almost unbearable.

But you've got back onto your hobby horse

Oh dear!!

I do not have a 'hobby horse' - honestly!!

Of course not.

and as I've said elsewhere that I share your problem but I do not have
an instant solution to it except to say yet again that in Britain,
British law should always prevail.

I would agree had said law retained as it's primary function the
protection of the true 'British'. What place 'Race/Relious Hate'
legislation???

I don't see much difference. In my world Moslems wouldn't be prevented
from praying 5 times a day and would not be forced to consume alcohol
to demonstrate their successful integration into Britishness. OTOH I
would not tolerate Sharia law being introduced to appease them.

Can you see where I draw the lines?

[Snip]

But Islamophobia is consuming much bandwidth at the moment.

As it should.

You seem to be contradicting yourself now.
So you agree there is Islamophobia or not?

Not at all. 'Islamophobia' is a farcical construct hence I do not
validate it's existence. It is akin to 'Murderophobia' or 'Rapeophobia'

All I said was that it exists on this NG and you seem to have agreed.

[Snip]

What I do know is who allowed it to happen.

Who is that then?

You are intelligent enough to know that immigration is under the direct
control of government ...

..and 'government' is under the direct control of whom???

Not the electorate for sure.

Now you have finally come round to my hobby horse.

Governments of all parties follow their own agendas and lie their way
through elections. They are out of control.
Blair has made the risk of Islamic terrorism much worse in Britain
by his policies. I see this new form of terrorism as a *reaction*
to British (western) foreign policy going back decades: Blowback.

and it's not just NuLab.

Agreed.

Tell you this it's not going to end well.

I see racial tensions rising in this country too.

If you think it will end in serious changes to govt policy by pressure
or negotiation, then you are living in a dream world

A realm I only ever inhabit when asleep and then.... well that is for
the alt.astral... groups

because behind it is capital that wants cheap non-unionised labour and
govt to pay OAPs.

In essence 'control' indeed I agree.

--
"I prefer liberty with danger than peace with slavery"
"We may acquire liberty, but it is never recovered if it is once lost"
"Man is born free, and everywhere he is in shackles"
....Jean-Jacques Rousseau 1712-1778
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