Progun posters incapable of an Answer

Progun posters incapable of an Answer

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Re: Progun posters incapable of an Answer
Hi there this is Aussieseek and for those interested. Here
is the Latest ! Anyone who has an issue with cardigan can take it up at

http://aaamatilda.proboards67.com/index.cgi


Today at 5:47am, Cardigan wrote on the Matilda Gunboard:Progun posters
incapable of an Answer


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Dear Readers

As you can see from the following,all of the pro gun posters (probably
all being members of the lying dickheads party) who have posted here
know they can not answer the questions the general community I
represent on these Aussieseek and Matilda forums require.


They posted

Tom's Proposals
« Reply #2 on Yesterday at 5:19pm »

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Thanks Mud, that's excellent.

So tom's proposal number 1 has been trialled in Britain and from a
community safety viewpoint has been a total failure.

Anyone interested in looking at tom's other proposals?

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Cardigan says, Their ploy has been to run away,or not answer,or malign
the forum using any excuse they can being uncapable of even answering a
question.

Here is a classic (sic) case where their star represenative " the
troll"
posted on Matilda their usual manfactured exaggeration about the UK Gun
situation.

Their lazy or deliberate use of incorrect statistics has contributed to
a situation in which they automatically describe gun crime in Britain
as "rocketing out of control". We remedied this by posting The
correct statistics from the UK Home office which show that this is not
the case.
plus making a personal reply.

The Result ? rkbausa said

so they promote censorship? Makes you wonder what they are trying to
hide.
rkbausa« Last Edit: Today at 12:44am by rkbausa »
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Cardigan says to rkbausa NO Makes you wonder what YOU are trying to
hide. As for censorship all facts are on the net for all to see.

Our 2 Return posts follow below so all can see.


Tom said


In response to your post no thats a spin by the pro gun lobby
which is just not true.
Of course no country is in the same situation with effective gun
control
..
The UK is a different situation to Australia where the Gun Buyback has
reaped rewards.

There is a much larger ilegal and black market in the UK which
contributes to all figures, but theyre working on it.!!!!

You are happy about that ? I can"t imagine any human being would be
happy to see gun deaths worsen.

The figures are overal. In many regional areas of the UK there has been
already been a marked improvement.

Contrary to public perception, the overall level of gun crime now in
the UK is very low - less than 0.5%* of all crime recorded by the
police

In the year ending 31 March 2005 provisional figures show a:

16% reduction in the use of handguns
9% reduction in robberies involving firearms
6% reduction in serious injuries from firearms offences

For more info go to

http://www.connected.gov.uk/

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I also saw and posted


the UK Gun Control Network is concerned about the frequency with which
some journalists, commentators and correspondents quote incorrect data
when writing about gun crime in Britain.

In some cases this may be due to poor research. In certain instances,
however, it appears to be a deliberate attempt to portray a misleading
and more alarming picture of gun crime than actually exists.

GCN uses the figures released by the Home Office (for England and
Wales) and the Scottish Executive (for Scotland) and takes note, not
only of the overall number of incidents, but also of the contributions
made to the total by different categories of weapon. We suggest that
others do so as well.

Recently it has been claimed that gun crime has risen three-fold since
1996, the year before the post-Dunblane handgun ban was introduced.

Ross Clark in an opinion piece in The Times (14 March) quoted a figure
of 7,753 gun crimes in 1996 rising to 24,094 in 2003-04. Any careful
check would have revealed that the correct figure for all gun crime in
1996 was 13,876. The mistake is not even explained by the exclusion of
airgun incidents from the earlier but not the later total.

Furthermore, this was not a one-off. Graham Lane, writing to the Sunday
Herald letters page (12 March), asked for an explanation for the
"massive threefold increase in armed crime and murder by use of
firearms since this ban."

GCN believes that it is no coincidence that Clark and Lane used similar
exaggerations in pieces in which they both argued for a reversal of the
handgun ban. Such incorrect statistics ought to have been challenged
before publication.

Whilst gun crime has risen in England and Wales since 1996 the official
figures reveal that this is largely owing to big increases in the
number of incidents involving airguns, imitation guns and other weapons
such as paintball guns for which there are few controls.

Total gun crime, and handgun crime in particular, has fallen
significantly in Scotland since the mid-1990s. In England and Wales
handgun crime has fallen for the last two years, as has the total
number of crimes, if those involving airguns and imitation guns are
excluded.

The lazy or deliberate use of incorrect statistics has contributed to a
situation in which too many journalists automatically describe gun
crime in Britain as "rocketing out of control". The correct
statistics show that this is not the case.

Britain has a low rate of gun crime, but we must not be complacent.

Additional measures can be taken to reduce it further, and GCN supports
those contained in the Violent Crime Reduction Bill to tackle problems
involving airguns and imitation guns, two categories of weapon which
have been used increasingly in crime.

However, any exaggeration of the overall level of gun crime will lead
to an unnecessary increase in fear among the general public.

The media should ensure that it does not contribute to this by failing
to challenge those who wish to mislead in a partisan cause. GCN
therefore urges editors to keep a close check on the selective and
incorrect use of statistics in any discussion of UK gun crime.
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rkbausa has a new avartar showing himself bashing sadam. He is about as
effective in promoting and making sense for the gunnas as the
Americans have been in IRAQ.





and in response to AussieSeek feral brat johninmelb

Who said to me cardigan

You are a nasty little grub, your actions with regard to Lennie were
beneath contempt.

I say.. The usual diversion johninmelb .

I am not distracted. Enjoy your
revolving barrel and door.



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