Re: Why We Should Start A Legal Class Action Against Frank Ellis

On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:31:07 +0000 (UTC), "DVH" <dvh@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

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"abelard" <abelard2@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:37:32 +0000 (UTC), "DVH" <dvh@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

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"abelard" <abelard2@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On 8 Mar 2006 07:40:01 -0800, "Seeker of Truth" <tow_force@xxxxxxxxxxx>

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In the USA, there are groups like the "Pioneer Fund" who make large
sums of money by promoting the idea that different ethnic groups have
different "natural" IQ levels. Upon examination, the evidence always
proves to have been obtained in an unscientific manner (or the
interpretation given to the data goes beyond what the data will
actually support) - but it is always pitched with a sufficient degree
of subtlety to satisfy the general public at the prevailing average
knowledge level of the day. People who want to believe in these
theories are happy to buy the books and sponsor the organisation.

Because it's not British, the Pioneer Fund cannot easily be reached
from here, unfortunately. However, there is always the risk that
Pioneer Fund style behaviour will start to creep into our country.

In stating his views from the position of being a lecturer, Frank
Ellis
gives them more credibility than they deserve. If these views (that
racial IQ differences are scientifically proven) become widespread,
then there can be no doubt that members of those ethnic groups which
are near the bottom the league table will, in aggregate, suffer
financially over their careers. There is therefore financial damage to
those people, and, although my expertise does not lie in British law,
I
think that a case could therefore be made for financial compensation.

The money that the case might win is not, of course, important. What
is
important is to establish that people of "intellectual authority" are
financially liable for the damage that their views cause when they use
their qualifications to support their views. This, hopefully, will
prevent anyone in Britain from trying to create a British version of
the Pioneer Fund.

ellis appears not even to be vaguely qualified in the area...

Is he mistaken?

he is neither mistaken nor correct....
it's a bit like me describing a motor to you...

there's that thingy over there...it seems to keep going around
and it makes a noise...

It's hummingbird?

there are certainly similarities

then there is that sort of thik wire...it seems to be attached to
sommat...etc...

well, i wouldn't be mistaken but i doubt you'd take me as a
mechanic....i doubt you'd trust me to fix your car....

True. But my question might be of a different order. I might ask you if you
think petrol driven cars ought to be banned from the centre of London
because of the health risk and noise pollution from their motors. I wouldn't
expect you to know the figures for lead content in fumes and its effects on
people of varying ages after six months and according to ambient pressure,
temperature and average windspeed.

'london' is big operation....if i were mayor i would certainly expect to
gather such data before making a decision..

I'd expect you to say "ban 'em" or "don't ban 'em", depending. And if you
lived in London your opinion would count for something even though you might
not be an expert or heaven forbid qualified.

Mr Ellis seems to be in a similar position?

i'm not sure which way to answer you...so i'll just kick some kites
into the air...

i have no problem with him 'having an opinion' but i wouldn't want to
trust him with complex decision with possible unintended consequences
his 'reasons' are trivial/piffle....

i'd very much like to ban all traffic from central london....
but i'm sure someone would pretty soon be wanting to make exceptions for
ambulances and delivery wagons....

to have an opinion he has no need to start sounding off with irrelevancies
about bell curves...he could as easily say he didn't like blacks and
be done with all the blather...

there are cleverer 'black' men in the field than himself....does one want
him making decisions on his superiors? i certainly don't...

he wants to do the repatriation bit....how does he intend to do that?
measure the reflectivity of their skin or the curliness of their hair?
what if they object? how is he going to enforce it?
how will his laws read?
i suppose he could call them the leeds laws...or even the nuremberg laws

any fool can rant...look at the wc church....

regards...

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