Re: an article of some interest by portillo...

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:11:52 +0900, the auroran sunset <upm@xxxxxxxxx>

typed:

>On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:34:42 +0900, abelard wrote

>> there seemed to me to be a slight air of cynicism in his article...
>> what some may call 'realism'....
>
>no problem as long as you leave the quotes there. :-)

sure

>> some in the party don't trust him much...
>> i wonder if this streak is the reason...
>
>i wouldn't know.. my reasons essentially come down to
> i don't trust that he believes in/is invested in freedom.

i think you've already made some case for this in the past....
while he remains an interesting commentator he is no longer as
politically relevant as once he was...

>> iran remains a problem...solving it probably isn't urgent in the terms
>> of the next 3 week or even three months...
>
>i don't see any good reason to wait until it is urgent.
>the only 'reasonable' reason i can see for
> not taking out iran's nuke program is the idiots back home.

in part....but the measure imv should always be 'minimal but sufficient
force'...

> i'm not very convinced that such action wouldn't now get past the public.

thank the good lord for representational democracy...
i don't think they will be allowed to get away with it...but the pressure
is already growing in many directions...
i would expect there to be an 'isolate them and turn them to glass if'
faction but i don't think (at present) such a faction will hold...

fortunately the anglo-saxon world is not ruled by the cotton wool
kids...the cotton wool kids are merely noisy nuisances...
on how long that situation will endure, i have as yet no opinion....

as i have long said, i irak is a tea party from what *could* develop....
allowing iran to move forward to a critical level is both highly foolish
and very dangerous...the longer term chaos could well be (probably
would be) far worse that a tactical strike

>> allowing the coalition of the unwilling a little time to have their noses
>> rubbed in reality is surely not a wholly negative thing....
>
>probably not, but i find it hard to believe that that is what portillo meant
>by his statement..

i think he is in fact fence siting and wanting to appear wise and
sophisticated...it is that tenor which adds to my impression of why
he became politically irrelevant....
my impression/instinct (without adequate support as yet) is we have
much better now....

>portillo, in both this and earlier items, gives me the impression of saying
>positive about the iraq actions more from necessity than desire - and then
>saying only the minimum he thinks he can get away with.

[pretty similar meaning to my above i think

>it makes me distrustful of his motives.. and so of his future actions..

his actions are now compromised anyways...

>his snide comments about america are also not new..

ok...it's popular/fashionable for the weak heads...

>> as for the 'smugly' bit....perhaps he could've chosen a better word
>> but i can't imagine the us administration not taking some limited
>> satisfaction in seeing the cotu being forced up against realities...
>
>no doubt.
>
>> we now have a (probably) far more intelligent and realistic administration
>> in germany and the rhetoric out of paris is improving steadily....
>>
>> this is well worth a scan imv....
>> http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson200512090908.asp
>>
>> these idiots are steadily getting caught by reality as was bound to
>> develop....
>
>sure.
>have you listened to the rumsfeld q&a hanson mentions?
>rumsfeld seems amazingly null-a:
>http://www.sais-jhu.edu/mediastream/rumsfeld_qa.ram

no....i'll go look...the us administration is not full of dummies...
cheney also has extremely sound logic....

have you seen the pseudo-speculation on lieberman?

>> patience is a useful virtue in politics....
>
>sure.. but there's only so long you can wait for the children to catch up..

indeed....and as you so correctly point out...that is at the nub in the
present situation...
the reactivity in france and australia is relevant....

there will be just so long the lid can be kept on rioting with soft words.

>> some (you may remember) were a bit panicky and wanting to throw
>> a life-line to the socialist coup in the tory party....now lookee :-)
>
>not me!

yeah well...you have your head screwed on in stead of an added
destructive emotionalism plug in....
the western society is going through a wallow phase....

but all things pass...

regards...

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