Re: "Even if torture works."
- From: hummingbird <ZYLYDWINUSED@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:13:45 +0000
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:23:02 -0000, "TD" <tdefries@xxxxxxxxxxx>
mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
>"hummingbird" <ZYLYDWINUSED@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>>> Don't forget lardy: it's the American/British govt people that YOU
>>>> support who are ordering/doing the torture and trying to justify it.
>>>The implicit claim made here is that one cannot support a government in
>>>general if one is opposed to one of its policies.
>>
>> No, that's not what I alluded to. I was referring to lardy's strong
>> support over several years for Bush/Blair's foreign policy adventures.
>> That's what his original post related to.
>> I'm aware that he doesn't support Blair on all policies...
>
>STM generally supportive of Bush, generally opposed to Blair.
Agree with you on Bush but he's also very supportive of the foreign
adventures by Bush and Blair as I said.
>>>You are either with us or against us - looks like the Bush administration.
>>
>> Policies of this nature do not have a pick 'n mix option. IMV anybody
>> who strongly supports the illegal Bush/Blair foreign adventures and at
>> the same time claims to disagree with the how they are carried out is
>> either being naive or dishonest.
>
>Rendition and torture are entirely different and separate policies from the
>invasion of Iraq.
I disagree.
They are very related...they're part of Bush's/Blair's War on Terror
which lardy strongly supports.
>I have yet to reach a conclusion about the invasion, but
>I am wholly opposed to rendition and torture, which you may note are
>reported to have occurred some time before the invasion.
The CIA flights have been going on for some while before and after
invasion. One of the odd things is that the issue has only recently
hit the mainstream headlines; I've read about it 1-2 years ago and
even saw pix on websites of some the aircraft used. IIRC the matter
hit the Swedish news some time back because of their involvement.
>> Underlying my previous comments is my view that lardy isn't really too
>> bothered by how those policies are carried out as can be seen from his
>> earlier comments posted on ukpm:
>>
>> --
>> abelard on the Middle East, Iraq, Palestinians and Vietnam:
>>
><snip quotes>
>
>Seriously, what relevance did any of that have?
A lot to the point I was making. Check back and read the thread again:
Lardy's position is either naive, dishonest or inconsistent. I expect
nothing more from someone who shuffles his feet and rarely gives a
straight answer to any question asked of him.
--
"I fear that the Prime Minister has become unhinged.
He has always tended towards being messianic."
-- Michael Portillo on Blair / Sunday Times:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2088-1879986_1,00.html
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