Re: yet another disaster in the non nuclear fossil fuel sector....

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:24:34 +0000, hummingbird
<ZYLYDWINUSED@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

typed:

>On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:05:34 -0000, "TD" <tdefries@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
>
>>"hummingbird" <ZYLYDWINUSED@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>news:gd5ro19onbq0865io23dslfvup3c2vuv6e@xxxxxxxxxx
>><snip>
>>>
>>> Coal industry accidents in China are primarily caused by lack of
>>> safety rules and/or a failure to implement them adequately. It has
>>> been known for some years that developing countries do not have the
>>> experience, competence or desire to operate such industries with the
>>> levels of safety usually practiced in the West and accidents therefore
>>> occur more frequently. South African mines have also seen a fair
>>> number of accidents over the years due to poor safety management etc.
>>>
>>> If you accept that, it doesn't take a great leap of logic to conclude
>>> that if the Chinese do not practice adequate safety measures in their
>>> coal mines, they will very likely emulate this poor safety record when
>>> it comes to nuclear power stations which are far more complex and
>>> where solid safety measures might cost a lot more.
>>
>>To answer this specific point, it seems to me that the Chinese would be
>>_less_ likely to emulate this poor safety record when it comes to nuclear
>>power stations given what's at stake. i.e. isn't simply a matter of a few
>>peasant miners disappearing in a cave-in.
>
> <tongue in cheek mode>
>Can you provide evidence for that opinion?
> </tongue in cheek mode>
>
>>So to me the answer is much less obvious than what you appear to believe.
>
>IN MY OPINION you are assuming that attention to safety will be
>more serious in the nuclear industry than coal mining industry and
>ignoring my assertion that attention to safety (and security as I
>explained elsewhere), is largely a state of mind as well as cost etc.
>
>I can see no rational reason for why you claim this, except that you
>are strongly pro-nuclear and wish to find fault with any person who
>raises safety concerns.
>
>If you are an angry driver in your 1974 Mini, why will your driving
>improve when you buy a Ford Escort?

maybe you can go and do some work..
i have already suggested possibilities to you...

1)the standard of staff employed throughout the nuclear industry
(china) will *on average* be higher
2)the number of bodies employed per kw produced i would expect
to be considerably lower in the nuclear industry...
therefore, to hold your hand....less people-damge would be involved
in reasonable accounting terms...
3)with proper accounting i am effectively convinced that the damage
(to humans) in the nuclear industry (again per kw produced) is
*vastly* lower than in the full stream in the fossil fuel industry...

now, if you want to check any of that....go do some work for yourself
for a change...or even get yourself a suitable place in a uni and
learn how to organise you muddled and buzzying head...

--
web site at www.abelard.org - news and comment service, logic,
energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,207 document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
.

Relevant Pages

  • Re: yet another disaster in the non nuclear fossil fuel sector....
    ... >>> Coal industry accidents in China are primarily caused by lack of ... >>> levels of safety usually practiced in the West and accidents therefore ... >>> number of accidents over the years due to poor safety management etc. ... is largely a state of mind as well as cost etc. ...
    (uk.politics.misc)
  • Re: Harrison Loses Again- Gun Manufacturers Protected By Federal Law
    ... Laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh. ... and the gun industry arrogantly refused to ... And they conspired to keep safety ...
    (talk.politics.guns)
  • Re: Network Rail Miles Better Than Railtrack?
    ... industry is defined as being a safety critical one and is subject to ... are the nuclear and offshore petrochemical industry. ... training - mainly amongst non NR staff, ... heir manager and our accident investigator / safety advisor for them to ...
    (uk.railway)
  • Re: Network Rail Miles Better Than Railtrack?
    ... industry is defined as being a safety critical one and is subject to ... are the nuclear and offshore petrochemical industry. ... training - mainly amongst non NR staff, ... heir manager and our accident investigator / safety advisor for them to ...
    (uk.railway)
  • Re: yet another disaster in the non nuclear fossil fuel sector....
    ... >>> levels of safety usually practiced in the West and accidents therefore ... >>> number of accidents over the years due to poor safety management etc. ... Their nuclear industry does not appear to have a similiar record. ...
    (uk.politics.misc)