Re: Zionism and Nazism

"Stephen Glynn" <stephen.glynn@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Energumen wrote:
>> "Stephen Glynn" <stephen.glynn@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>
>>>Jason P wrote:
>>>
>>>>onlyme wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Jason P" <jaspetr@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>In America I see this same thing played out with other ethnic
>>>>>>categories, such as the Germans and the Italians, also the Jews,
>>>>>>Chinese and Japanese, and now Arabs an Seiks. The larger society of
>>>>>>homogenized people don't like, trust, or what to asscociate with,
>>>>>>sub-cultures that tend to be clanish and self-serving to each other.
>>>>>>Same thing happened in Germany after WW-I, Dreary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You make a very good point.
>>>>>The same is happening in the UK with asians. (and just as with
>>>>>Jews....many
>>>>>would screech "racist" at the merest suggestion!).
>>>>>The asian population...chooses not to integrate...is very much still a
>>>>>minority....yet increasingly gaining positions of power and influence
>>>>>that
>>>>>are out of all proportion to the minority they represent.
>>>>>This can be seen most starkly in local government...enforced
>>>>>'politically
>>>>>correct' policies towards making whites integrate with
>>>>>asians....whilest
>>>>>ingoring the simple fact that the asians lead choose to lead seperate
>>>>>lifestyles...
>>>>>We meet at taxi ranks...or while they serve us in takaways...rarely
>>>>>would we
>>>>>have the chance to meet and chat down the pub....or other such places
>>>>>where
>>>>>you might traditionally be expected to 'make friends'.
>>>>>Is it our fault (white British)?...I'd say not....whilest very
>>>>>tollerent, we
>>>>>have always been so, in a 'stand-offish' way. This is the British way
>>>>>(even
>>>>>towards other white British!!).
>>>>>
>>>>>It should be the position of the minority communities to make sure
>>>>>'they'
>>>>>are the ones spearheading any drive towards 'fitting in'....not the
>>>>>position
>>>>>of government/local councils to force the indiginous population to fit
>>>>>in
>>>>>with/accept the interlopers....because this causes resentment....and
>>>>>when we
>>>>>see asian MPS, Local Councilors, together with the various race
>>>>>relation
>>>>>bodies, telling us whites that it's OUR fault...legislating against us
>>>>>and
>>>>>in favour of these minorities.....while we witness the youths of these
>>>>>minorities increasingly turning to drug-dealing, gun crime etc
>>>>>etc...this
>>>>>causes further resentment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Absolutely... My family had to assimilate into this culture. I am 6 or
>>>>7 generations removed from the early German soldiers who came here to
>>>>fight for King George and the British Empire. They in time assimilated
>>>>to the rest of America, yet the Jews for centuries and now the Islamic
>>>>pond scum who would blow us all up refuse this nod to the prevailing
>>>>national culture around them. No wonder people are upset with them.
>>>>Homogeneous cultures do very well, fractured politically correct
>>>>cultures in time change or they perish.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I always wonder what people mean when they talk about 'assimilating' in
>>>this context, particularly when they talk about groups of people doing it
>>>over more than 250 years. I take it you speak English rather than
>>>German at home. Obviously I don't know whether your family are still
>>>Lutherans; would it be a sign you'd not assimilated if you were? If,
>>>going back a few generations, your grandfather or great-grandfather had
>>>not wanted the USA to get involved in WW1 (as did many Americans of other
>>>backgrounds) would this be a sign he hadn't properly assimilated?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Well obviously I cannot speak for anyone else but when I talk of
>> assimilation I mean something very objective and specific. I mean that
>> the descendants of the group in question become part of the majority
>> ethnicity through intermarriage (or "partnership" as we must say these
>> days). Therefore the kind of assimilation I mean can be measured with
>> mathematical precision for each ethnic minority or immigrant group,
>> albeit that it is sensible to weight the numbers by relative proportion
>> of first generation to second generation to third generation etc.
>>
>> I view this property in a potential immigrant group as being very
>> positive and desirable since in the long term it eliminates any
>> possibility of ethnic conflict in either direction. If we must have
>> immigrants then we should choose them from groups that have high numbers
>> in these stats in favour of those who do not.
>
> But when you use the term in this way, you're using it rather differently
> from the way most people understand it since, by definition, you're always
> talking about what you think will be the situation some 20 or 30 years
> hence and there's little, by this definition, anyone can do to
> 'assimilate' other than encourage his children to marry out.

However it is measurable *now*, and that is certainly the case when we are
*comparing* different groups. I am not particularly concerned with
*encouraging* assimilation. I dislike such social engineering. Much better
to simply measure it and adjust immigration policies accordingly.

>
> I very much wonder if, had you been around 120 -- 100 years ago, you would
> have been in a position to tell the people who were getting so concerned
> about Jewish immigration to the UK from Poland and Southern Russia that
> they had nothing to worry about since these people's grandchildren and
> great-grandchildren would be marrying non-Jews in considerable numbers.
> If you had, folks would probably have wanted to lock up their daughters to
> keep them safe from the immigrant Semitic hoards.
>

I wouldn't be concerned then because the numbers are so small in comparison.
Just as, for example, I am not concerned about Sikhs today, even if they are
not all that assimilating. The situation today is completely different.
Today we are talking about creating a double digit percentage
non-assimilating minority at the very least, with the long term risk that
all others will end up being outnumbered in the future within the country by
Muslims, which is, apart from anything else, a major area of risk to future
national security. This also applies to other western European countries, in
many cases even more so. We are here effectively talking about colonisation
by immigration.


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