Re: Nu-Lab and our private security services...where's it all going
- From: Maria <frustated@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:17:56 GMT
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:48:10 +0000 (UTC), "onlyme"
<onlyme_sitting@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>Fred_eg_headuphisarse said.....
>
>The SIA set the training standards and qualification levels of the new
>> door supervisor course which meet the tough LSC criteria for funding.
>>
>> Working closely with the SIA the LSC has proposed a new innovative
>> method of funding the door supervisor training for licensing. This will
>> greatly benefit door supervisors who are about to undertake the new
>> national training.
>>
>> I declare prior knowledge, formely being a trainer for the (antecedent)
>> courses.
>>
>>
>
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>Posting this as a new thread,...as Fred_eg_headuphisarse seems incapable of
>any intelligent response in the other thread......other opinions appreciated
>(on the topic...not on whether Fred is up his own arse).
>
>
>
>The LSC (that's learning & Skills Council...a government body...so it's
>'our' money they are using) fund the training of these 'thugs'
>
>The SIA is the group that recieves the funding....let's take a look at the
>SIA then....
>
>The chairman of the SIA is a Peter Hermitage....
>http://www.the-sia.org.uk/home/about_sia/sia_board/
>
>Peter Hermitage joined the SIA as a Board member in April 2003 and was
>formally appointed as the chairman in July 2004. He spent the previous six
>months as acting chair. From 1968 - 99 he was a serving police officer, with
>most of that time spent in operational roles in Kent. In that force he
>occupied two different roles as an Assistant Chief Constable (Personnel and
>Operations) before moving to HM Inspectorate of Constabulary at the Home
>Office. In 1996 he was promoted to the rank of Chief Constable and appointed
>as the Director of National Police Training.
>
>Since retiring from the police, he has formulated best value plans,
>undertaken consultancy roles and spent over 3 years chairing East Kent NHS
>Hospitals Trust. As well as his SIA role, he undertakes the vice
>chairmanship of the governors of Canterbury Christ Church University College
>and is involved in charitable activities. He is a Chartered Fellow of the
>Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development, a Member of the Royal
>Society of Health and a member of the Institute of Directors. He was awarded
>the Queen's Police Medal for distinguished service in 1996.
>
>
>In March this year he attended a 'policing' conference, aimed at "Government
>priorities for policing over the next five years" ...along with Hazel
>Blears.
>
>Also attending in March, another conference...along with Sir Ian blair
>http://www.professionalsecurity.co.uk/newsdetails.aspx?NewsArticleID=2797&imgID=1
>Some more details of this here...
>http://www.perpetuitygroup.com/training/acatalog/The_Future_of_Policing.html
>
>Hermitage attended another cosy little tet-a tet back in October last
>year...also attended by Sir Ian Blair
>http://reporter.leeds.ac.uk/press_releases/current/police.htm
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>
>
>I came across this.....
>http://www.psiact.org.uk/sianews2.htm
>Since the Private Security Industry Act 2001 was passed the Home Office has
>been working to set up the Security Industry Authority and to develop
>policies, structures and procedures under which the Authority will begin to
>regulate the private security industry. The SIA was formally established as
>a non-departmental public body on 1 April 2003 and will operate
>independently, although it will be responsible to the Home Secretary for its
>performance.
>
>So the SIA is also a government body....set up (ostensibly) to regulate
>private security groups.....but also using public funding (via the LSC) to
>fund the 'training' of thugs/bouncers etc....
>
>Some more on the regulation and licencing of the security sector here...
>http://www.bsia.co.uk/cgi-bin/WebObjects/BSIA.woa/wo/0.0.12.3.26.5
>
>Anyway...the 'training' seems to be fairly 'intensive' (NOT)!
>
>Stage 1 will include three days of classroom-based training and
>examinations. Officers already holding certificates from QCA-endorsed
>awarding bodies will be exempt from this stage, which includes all officers
>with a SITO basic training certificate.
>
>Stage 2, conflict management training, carries no exemptions and cannot be
>achieved via in-house training.
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>
>
>My thoughts on all this....
>
>I'm fairy sure that the 'training and regulation' of nightclub bouncers is
>mearly the thin end of a very fat wedge, with the shake-up and
>re-structuring of the private security industry....You cannot now set up, or
>act as 'security staff' unless you are licenced by (and ergo affiliated to)
>the SIA...which is a government body working very very closely with the
>police.
>
>Whilst this might be all very well, as far as nightclub bouncers and wheel
>clampers are concerned....we have to ask ourselves, would the government
>really introduce such a far reaching review of and change to the security
>industry....just to prevent a few rough bouncers or ilegal wheel
>clampers....
>
>In Tony blairs 'police state'....this is a very clever way of introducing
>the UK equivalent of 'brownshirts....to be used for crowd control etc
>
>Regarding the conference incident, I heared Blair saying the stewards were
>'untrained'.......this comment in itself beggers belief...given all of the
>above!
>Did Nu-lab break it's own legislation by knowingly employing untrained
>security?
>
>Is no-one else worried about where all this is going?
>
>
My lad applied to be a nightclub bouncer - the course was one week
training at a local college, and included a bit about what the law
says about using force to eject people etc. He didn't go in the end
because he couldn't afford the license fee, but was nonetheless
offered lots of doorman work by clubs in this area.
He is at the moment working on a fair in Northampton - last weekend a
lad visited the fair and attacked someone with a Jack Daniels bottle.
The bouncers (which they have to have there cos it's so rough) called
the police *before* the lad attacked the other lads - they knew there
was going to be trouble. When the lad with the bottle went into
action, the police and the bouncer looked on and did nothing - it was
left to Matt and the other fair lads to break up the fight and rescue
the victim. The lad with the bottle walked away and was not even
arrested. The industry is sick before it starts due to the kinds of
people being employed.
There is much more to the breakdown of law and order in this country
than meets the eye - it even looks at times like an actual policy of
laissez-faire policing except for crimes committed by innocent people,
e.g. being done for defending yourself etc.
What is coming is quite scary - it puts me in mind of Jarman's
'Jubilee', which seems quite prophetic now, except that we have gone
in the direction of criminalising everybody, rather than abolishing
law and order altogether (zero crime rate!).
.
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