Re: Mustn't be racist

Energumen wrote:
>
> "Blue" <blue@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> The pygmies constantly slagged
> > them off for having large todgers.
>
> I'm talking about those which remain undiscovered.

So we've run out of real people and you're
relying on a religious kind of faith that some
people, some where, who no one's met before won't
be racist when they do?

>You only have to
> > observe other animals to see how they fight off not
> > only similar types to them, but those of a different pack.
>
> "Pack" is not race. "Race" in the sense I mean it here is subspecies in
> terms of biological taxon. Bonobos of different troupes fight each other but
> that's not "racist" any more than the hundred years war or the war of the
> roses was "racist".

It does however show a natural bias towards another troop.

> > I don't think you have the empirical evidence to
> > spilt these two aspects, racism and breeding, so clearly.
>
> Racism and tribalism. Historically, wars between peoples of the same race
> are ten a penny. Wars fought on the basis of race, from earliest recorded
> history onwards are very scarce indeed. I suppose you could count the Nazis
> "lebensraum" against Poles, Ukrainians etc. as a "racist" war even if they
> were the same race, because they were deluded into thinking that they were
> not.

I think we're deluding ourselves if we accept the
excuse given for wars fought. To regain land, wealth,
for god. The other lot are not them so it's ok to whack
them. Just because it isn't written that they didn't like
the colour of the other lot, doesn't mean it wasn't the reason.
A matter of labels. PC of the day - nomenclature.

> In the ancient world there were many examples of different "races" fighting
> shoulder to shoulder alongside each other, where there was mutual reason to
> do so, Egyptians and Nubians, Huns and Visigoths, Gauls and Carthaginians
> (though I wouldn't consider the last two a different subspecies, hence race,
> myself). All this "race war" idea doesn't seem to arise until the nineteenth
> and twentieth centuries.

Joining forces for the survival of your tribe makes
sense and is not outside nature.

> > Even the simplest of creatures knows which are
> > acceptable mates. Or if they don't,
> > there just isn't any offspring.
>
> True, but is there any evidence that racial sexual preferences in humans
> have any genetic (rather than learned) basis? There might be. It's possible.
> I don't think it's likely but I could be wrong.

A grey mouse says "oh look, there's a grey elephant;
must able to breed with it". An animal doesn't
go by colour alone when choosing a mate.

> > The point is should we ban racism when it is part
> > of our natural bias make up.
>
> What evidence is there that racism IS part of our natural bias make up? I
> see none whatsoever. Perhaps we just have a different understanding of the
> meaning of the word.

Racism, preference. Why should preference be illegal?
People have different sizes, weights and shapes.
Why is it not illegal if you show bias with them?

Why should colour bias be illegal, just because
some are so touchy about it? I haven't a million quid,
surely someone is being racist towards me!
.

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