Re: Race murders and Daily Mail - a competition


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> > > > > > > > > > A black man is murdered in an unprovoked attack by
whites
> in
> > > > > > > Liverpool.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Why was he murdered?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > A white man is murdered on a bus by a black man in an
> > > unprovoked
> > > > > > > attack
> > > > > > > > > > in London.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Why was he murdered.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Why does it matter? Murder is murder, particularly
unprovoked
> > and
> > > > > brutal
> > > > > > > > murder. The point all these threads are making - which you
> don't
> > > > > appear
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > be able to grasp - is that the media consistently highlights
> the
> > > > > murder
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > black person by a white person(s), but fails to do the same
> when
> > > the
> > > > > act
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > the exact opposite.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Oh stop blaming the media.
> > > > > > > There are loads of murders black and white that don't make it
> into
> > > the
> > > > > > > papers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Name one, where a white person has murdered someone black, which
> > > hasn't
> > > > > made
> > > > > > it 'into the papers'?
> > > > >
> > > > > Glad you agree with me.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > What makes this high profile is that before he was murdered he
> was
> > > > > > racially
> > > > > > > abused, he then got killed with an axe.
> > > > > > > They are comparing this to the murder of a white man on a bus,
> > why?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Because they were both unprovoked, brutal murders and,
therefore,
> > > should
> > > > > be
> > > > > > treated exactly the same. Why do you find that so difficult to
> > accept?
> > > > >
> > > > > Because one was killed just because of his colour and the person
on
> > the
> > > > bus
> > > > > was a random attack.
> > > > > What is it you're find so difficult?
> > > >
> > > > Ok, let's leave these two murders on one side for a moment - and the
> > > colour
> > > > of the perpetrator(s) and/or the victim - and see if we can clarify
> > > > precisely what you're saying. If I understand you correctly, you are
> > > saying
> > > > that if a person is attacked and killed because they object to
someone
> > > > throwing food over them, or is otherwise being offensive to them or
> > their
> > > > partner, that is somehow a lesser offence than if they are attacked
> > > because
> > > > of their colour?
> > >
> > > However did you get to that conclusion from what I wrote above?
> > > I don't believe it is a lesser crime.
> >
> > I 'get to that conclusion' because you are saying that one should be
given
> > greater prominence than the other.
>
> I am not saying it should, I am giving the reason why.

You seem to be attempting to shift ground here. This thread began with
someone comparing the disparity between the media reporting of two equally
horrific murders - you then jumped in to defend that disparity on the
grounds that before the Liverpool murder the black lad was 'racially abused'
(as if that actually makes any difference). Now you are agreeing that the
two crimes are equally horrific, and that they should both be given equal
prominence by the media, but are saying that you are simply trying to tell
us why the media treats them differently. The OP, and most of the rest of
us, KNOW why the media sees the two murders differently - we don't need you
to tell us - it is because in murder (a) white man kills innocent black man
in unprovoked brutal attack, and in murder (b) black man kills white man in
unprovoked brutal attack - and the media has consistently, over a very long
period, highlighted attacks by whites on blacks and under-reported the much
greater incidence of attacks by blacks on whites.
So we know the media reports racial crimes differently - depending on the
respective colour of the attacker/victim - and we know why (the media has
long had a very obvious agenda of its own, on these matters). If you are
going to defend them, or try to explain the reason for their bias, don't
tell us what they do - because we know - and don't try to tell us why they
do it - because we know - why don't you tell us why they SHOULD treat these
happenings so differently?

>
> > And since we expect media attention to
> > the reporting of a crime to bear a proportionate relationship to the
> > severity of that crime, it therefore follows that you do not see the two
> > crimes as comparable.
>
> You seems to be having problems with what I wrote in regard to why I think
> the media report news the way they do and my own opinion about the
murder.
> I believe both murders are equally bad for very different reason, but my
> view as why media report the murders differently is that one is a racial
> murder and the other is a random murder.
> One person was murdered for a reason, his colour, the other was a random
> attack that could have happened to anyone.
>
> > > You should follow the thread back, it was you who was complaining that
> the
> > > media wasn't giving equal airtime or priority.
> > > It was I who explained from a view of the media murdering someone due
to
> > > their colour and nothing else is slightly different than a random
> murder.
> >
> > Why?
>
> Well at least you will then be able to actually quote me correctly.
> ;-)

Why don't you try answering the question: why is it different?

>
> > And what you blithely call a 'random murder' was the brutal and
> > unprovoked killing by a black thug of an innocent and inoffensive white
> > person as he made his way home with his girlfriend.
>
> Yes, where do I say otherwise?
>
> > As for the media viewing
> > the two crimes as being 'slightly different', that is a joke - media
> > reporting has been MASSIVELY different.
>
> Sky news reported both in much detail, hardly different.

I will take your word for that, but all the media reports I saw - and
continue to see - have treated the murders very differently.



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> > Do you think that if the victims and
> > the circumstances of these events had been reversed, and a young black
lad
> > had been brutally slain on the bus by a white thug, the media response
> would
> > been the same?
>
> I have no idea, I suggest if you want a hunch you contact the other Chris.
>

Your evasion is noted.


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