Re: PR (was Re: David Owen)

"Jonivar Skullerud" <jonivar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "Adam Gray" <adam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>
>> "Jonivar Skullerud" <jonivar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:xavmzhrgkpc.fsf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > "Adam Gray" <adam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>> >> But you cannot dispute that under PR coalition politics is a far more
>> >> common; in fact a near certainty.
>> >
>> > Rubbish. It is nothing near a certainty.
>>
>> When was the last overall majority government elected in Germany?
>
> September 2005. Whatever that has to do with the price of bread.

Untrue. Why do PR fanatics have such estrangement from reality? It's quite
pathetic.
>
>> Or Italy?
>> Or Israel?
>
> Israel has a directly elected prime minister. Sharon defeated Barak
> in a straight vote last time around. I am not sure what you are
> getting at here.

I'm sure you don't - it's because you're dim. In Israel there is a
coalition government because Likud did not win an overall majority. Got it
yet? No, I bet you haven't. When you come back from la-la land, let us
know.

>> Or Ireland?
>
> Answered elsewhere.

Indeed - not helpfully for PR fanatics, though.

>> Is your name an anagram of something...like "rude tosser who buts into
>> perfectly reasonable discussions others are having", perhaps?
>
> I wasnt aware that this was a private club. Is your name an anagram
> of "rude and pompous git who will never listen to any argument or any
> fact unless it confirms his own prejudices and who cannot distinguish
> between arguments and abuse", perhaps?

It must have used a lot of your limited brain power to work out how to
rip-off my jibe: bravo. You have a lot in common with George Galloway: no
grasp of reality, an estrangement to fact and truth, someone who, if you
check the record (something I appreciate is inconveient to you) you launched
the invective against me. If you can't take it, don't dish it, you
Scandinavian pratt.

>> I really have better things to do than worry about these tiny little
>> countries...
>
> The true voice of the bully-boy.

Oh stop being so silly! What a cry baby. Have you left kindergarten yet?
Waaaaah. Mummy. What a joke!

> Anyway, you have already "worried
> about" the equally tiny little countries of Israel, Ireland and
> Scotland. Sweden is in fact bigger than all of them.

I assure you I haven't worried about them.
>
>> your remarks are about as insightful as suggesting that if there
>> was a PR system in place in Washington state, or Oregon, that the liberal
>> voters there would probably elect a majority liberal Democratic
>> administration.
>
> So now you are admitting that coalition politics is not a near
> certainty under PR. Good.

How so? Here's the latest revelation for you: Washington state or Oregon
*DON'T* have PR systems. How, therefore, can I be admitting that
non-existent PR systems don't produce coalition politics? And even if they
did, how would that disprove my assertion that coalition politics is a near
certainty under PR? "Near certainty" and "certainty" are different
concepts: one means usually occur, t'other means never occur. Can you work
out which one's which? Devastate us with a display of your intellect...

> But the other point, which you singularly failed to fathom, is that
> even where there is no overall majority, coalition politics is not a
> certainty. A minority government can be a perfectly acceptable
> alternative.

In fact, that comment should be addressed to Henry-the-fibber Potts - who
evidently doesn't grasp the fact that councils in no overall control do not
automatically have coalition administrations: it's not even especially
common. But no, minority government is not a perfectly acceptable
alternative: minority governments are even weaker, less stable and subject
to having their programmes defeated than crackpot coalitions.

Adam


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