Re: Crick on Humanism and Religion


"Peter H.M. Brooks" <peter@xxxxxxxxx> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Bastian wrote:
> >
> > We (Steve and I) spoke about theists or atheists and their crimes. When
> > there are crimes then these crimes often differ only in the label. Do
you
> > really disagree?
> > You changed the angle of view and wrote about different human reasons,
> > conditions and circumstances.
> > Then you are right, but it's an other topic. It is difficult to discuss
all
> > together.
> >
> With no law there is no crime. This is not always a positive thing.
>
> Just because things are difficult to discuss is no reason not to discuss
> them. Quite the opposite - in my opinion.
> >
> >
> >>The stigmatisation of people as 'felons' or 'murderers' fails to
> >>recognise that 'there, but for the grace of god, go I'.
> >
> >
> > I don't quite understand - do you quote Paul, the apostle? He knew that
he
> > was a murderer in the name of god, and now got the "grace of god". But
this
> > would be again an other topic.
> >
> No, I don't quote St. Paul. I quote Boswell (at least I think that I
> paraphrased him).
>
> The point of my remark was that the man who was going to be hanged,
> drawn and quartered (an extremely nasty way to die) was unfortunate and
> those watching (including the man quoted) understood that, but for their
> circumstances being different, they might indeed be on the scaffold. The
> point is one of empathy.
> >
> >
> >>Murderers are most of all us in the raw. Find the person who has never
> >>wished the death of his sexual rival and you've found a liar.
> >
> >
> > And again a new topic.
> > But of course, that's one of the human problems: to do not all things
which
> > one wishes to do. It's a problem which is dealed I think in all
> > cultures/religions - the theme for example in the story of Cain and
Abel.
> > In this difference between wishes and acts - and the necessity to
decide
> > according the conscience - I find one of the keys to understand why
humans
> > need conscious/deliberate cultural traditions (I call it "religion").
> >
> Is English your second language?
>
> I think, if that is the case (as I think it is) that you probably miss
> some of the jokes, subtleties and incidental points that are made here.
>
> That isn't your fault, but English is a subtle language (as are most
> others when used precisely) so you venture into this sort of discussion
> unarmed. No problem with that, I admire your courage, but do expect
> rather 'sideways' responses.

Yes, you are right: English is my second (or 3rd... ;-) language - I
learned it
in school - over forty years ago. But I see that here are many interesting
themes, links..., which i
want to read and understand also in English - especially in these themes
between science and religion(s). But of course some subtleties i do not
understand. [What are "incidental points" and "'sideways'
responses"?]

Now to your other statements: I have the impressions that you bring them
very associative and that you like to change the themes very quickly - also
to mix different themes in one theme. (I brought my thoughts about theistic
or atheistic murderers - and you brought thoughts about different human
conditions, with the aim to ephasize empathy ) .
And that is the reason why i wrote that it is difficult to discuss all
together. I thought it would be clear, that the last two words ("all
together") were to be ephasized.
Your answer ("Just because things are difficult to discuss is no reason not
to discuss them") does not hit my point.
Perhaps it's really too difficult for me to write in such a way, that
persons who have English as their mother language, can understand what i
mean.
You write very much - perhaps the most postings. Please understand: it's too
fast for me. Therefore I must say: please slow, and not too much at once.

"P.S." I hope that the discussions are not so dangerous that i should avoid
to come in "unarmed".

Basty


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