Re: Who is truly worthy of being the atheists Guru today ?

On Apr 30, 4:57 pm, "Steve Marshall" <s...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
"Dave in Lake Villa" <DaveInLakeVi...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote

We have an admission from Dawkins , uncoersed, that there IS a form of
intelligence required for first life and that is 'must have come from
outer space by aliens'  .

No Dave, that isn't what he said. He was asked if there was any possible
circumstances for ID.

"Another example. Toward the end of his interview with me, Stein asked
whether I could think of any circumstances whatsoever under which
intelligent design might have occurred. It's the kind of challenge I relish,
and I set myself the task of imagining the most plausible scenario I could..
I wanted to give ID its best shot, however poor that best shot might be. I
must have been feeling magnanimous that day, because I was aware that the
leading advocates of Intelligent Design are very fond of protesting that
they are not talking about God as the designer, but about some unnamed and
unspecified intelligence, which might even be an alien from another planet..
Indeed, this is the only way they differentiate themselves from
fundamentalist creationists, and they do it only when they need to, in order
to weasel their way around church/state separation laws. So, bending over
backwards to accommodate the IDiots ("oh NOOOOO, of course we aren't talking
about God, this is SCIENCE") and bending over backwards to make the best
case I could for intelligent design, I constructed a science fiction
scenario. Like Michael Ruse (as I surmise) I still hadn't rumbled Stein, and
I was charitable enough to think he was an honestly stupid man, sincerely
seeking enlightenment from a scientist. I patiently explained to him that
life could conceivably have been seeded on Earth by an alien intelligence
from another planet (Francis Crick and Leslie Orgel suggested something
similar -- semi tongue-in-cheek). The conclusion I was heading towards was
that, even in the highly unlikely event that some such 'Directed Panspermia'
was responsible for designing life on this planet, the alien beings would
THEMSELVES have to have evolved, if not by Darwinian selection, by some
equivalent 'crane' (to quote Dan Dennett). My point here was that design can
never be an ULTIMATE explanation for organized complexity. Even if life on
Earth was seeded by intelligent designers on another planet, and even if the
alien life form was itself seeded four billion years earlier, the regress
must ultimately be terminated (and we have only some 13 billion years to
play with because of the finite age of the universe). Organized complexity
cannot just spontaneously happen. That, for goodness sake, is the
creationists' whole point, when they bang on about eyes and bacterial
flagella! Evolution by natural selection is the only known process whereby
organized complexity can ultimately come into being. Organized complexity --  
and that includes everything capable of designing anything intelligently --  
comes LATE into the universe. It cannot exist at the beginning, as I have
explained again and again in my writings. "

http://richarddawkins.net/article,2394,Lying-for-Jesus,Richard-Dawkins

We have staunch atheist and cofounder of the DNA structure, Dr. Francis
Crick , that has put in writing the same thing that Dawkins said
verbally.

Crick did not 'cofound' DNA and he later rejected panspermia.

Steve M

REPLY: Read the 2nd sentence in the following on Crick :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Crick
.

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