Re: Why Time, space, motion are not relative

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"Willie Eckerslyke" <caveman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"mark" <no-onehere@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Time is, of course, relative and a human construct.>

Yes.

However, this warm, fuzzy, woolly hatted notion of *eternal* is of
course a false assumption.

No. Sorry, mate. To my mind, *eternal* means non-ending. I believe that
time AND space are infinite ... eternal has the same meaning, for me, as
infinite. We can joust with words, friend ... but I reckon that there is
NO
SUCH THING as a begining OR end of time / space. As human beings
we are brainwashed into a *start / end* religeous belief of things.
99% of everyone that I've ever met (including my brainwashed
Roman-Catholic
wife) look no further than everything that the media tells them to believe
in.

Ok. Without being pedantic, infinite usually would relate and be
understood as *space* or *size* whilst eternal would usually be
understood to mean *time*.
That is the difference. Time and space.
As I said, it is not possible that something (whatever that thing may be)
can just *always* have existed without a beginning. Without end is another
consideration but it's likely that things change over time anyway. Forget
the 'media', if you are to consider something as 'existing' you probably
are going to have to accept that it started, first.........



Your problem is understanding that if something exists - then it had to
start somewhere. Just saying that something is eternal doesn't encompass
the past, merely the future.
Things, phsical or otherwise just cannot have always existed.. it's
impossible. A moment in time, whenever or wherever that may have been,
was how something started.
The other question you have to ask is that if something *began* then what
existed before it began..........
.....and, who created 'your' god .. as it is clear that your god couldn't
self create.
And was this god of yours around before the *start* of things or was he
created at the same moment.
What existed before your god.....??


Superb argument. Good stuff
I'll die of old age, well before the aliens ( that created "experiment
Planet Earth" a few
thousand years ago) even bother coming back here to check on their
results.

Are you suggesting that aliens created the universe as well.........

But ... I'll die happy.

Happiness is an inner peace and understanding... it's got little to do
with aliens and/or time and space considerations.


Mark



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