Re: Why?

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<1iqgq0j.166tcvd136j9thN%real-address-in-sig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
rowland.mcdonnell@xxxxxxxxxxx (Rowland McDonnell) wrote:

Fergus <fergus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

rowland.mcdonnell@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Fergus <fergus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

rowland.mcdonnell@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Have people got to be so fucking nasty?

Some people are nasty because its their nature.

I don't buy arguments like that.

I can't think of a better explanation.

`In their nature' means nothing at all as far as I'm concerned. It's in
human nature to breath, to eat, to ***, piss, sleep, and so on. I
don't buy the argument that nastiness can be `in someone's nature'.
Just doesn't make any sense to me.

Some are nasty because they haven't grown up and still act like kids
in the school playground. Many people aren't nasty at all but they are
the less noticeable ones.

I've met a lot of really nice people in my time. But for some reason,
I tend to attract nasty people who take pleasure from being nasty to me.

So I have observed over the years. Do you know what that reason is?

There is no reason for anything other than `because of everything that
has ever happened to affect the moment'.

But I think that nasty people like persecuting vulnerable people and
they spot me as a vulnerable person and so home in on me to attack me
because they're sadists who enjoy that sort of thing.

People like MadMazza, for example - she's a lot more evil than the
average troll here.

Mazza, you have been elevated, obviously I am redundant and no longer
needed, I shall be off soon.

Hardly anyone's ever dared to be nasty to me to my face since I left
school. I find just looking at people deals with most `social ***'
that's going on in my face. Of course, that just means they sneak off
and do it behind my back...

Standard bully behaviour...

The bullies I knew at school didn't sneak about behind my back. They
punched me in the face.

That's exactly what I would do if you were to say the same things in
person, face to face.

And why be so fucking nasty to me?

Group dynamics. Amongst other things. I could suggest several
reasons why you are targetted more than other people but my guess is
that you would disagree with me.

The problem is that your analysis will almost certainly be one that
essentially `puts all the blame on me' rather than explores the
dynamics of the situation to help me understand other people.

Well, I have no intention of "putting all the blame on you". What the
trolls do is completely unwarranted and amazingly juvenile. I don't
think I've seen that sort of behaviour since I was at school. They
clearly have no concept of what mental illness is.

I think they do. I think that they are sadistic scum.

But it's not the usual trolls who are bothering me. It's Mad Mazza
who's the worse scumbag here - the nastiest poster I've seen in this
newsgroup for a very long time.

You have declared Mazza a troll, you have said that you never reply to
trolls, although we all know that is a lie as you recently replied to
me, so if Mazza is a troll and you don't reply to trolls, how come you
don't killfile her?

Nevertheless, given the bad situation there are things which can be done
which will limit the damage if you are prepared to do so.

Oh, stop pratting about and say what you have to say rather than winding
me up, eh?

At the risk of provoking your wrath I would say that you often
interpret genuine attempts to help and to reach out as nastiness when
it is not.

I really can't see what relevance that might have.

It's relevant in two ways. Firstly, people in general are probably not
as nasty as it appears to you,

I don't think you're in a position to make judgements like that at all.

so there is more hope than there seems to
be.

Eh?

Secondly, if you perceive that people are being nasty, when they are
not, and react accordingly then these people are quite likely to either
react angrily back or simply withdraw, although there are notable
exceptions. The danger is that it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
The key is to try to break that cycle.

Experience has taught me that that line of reasoning is bull***.

Your experiences are pure gold.

There really are a lot of very nasty people in this world, and I've
stood back and watched them get away with being really really nasty so
that they can trample over other people and get what they want while (in
a socio-economic way) putting others down (in the same way).

And people like you are one reason they can get away with it - the
people who insist on donning rose-tinted specs before trying to analyse
what's going on, always insisting on taking a rosy view of things rather
than looking at what's really up.

Okay, so my viewpoint is bitter and twisted and warped, I know that.
<shrug> I'm cracked.

I wake up. I usually avoid screaming in horror. I keep
breathing.
Life is hell.

Sorry to hear that. And I do /mean/ that.

I know you do. You're decent - even if you are badly fucked up.

ummm, thanks?

I've not always been very nice to you, and I've been harshly critical of
you on occasion - sometimes, I expect I've been very unfair to you. But
I recognise that you are at heart a very decent bloke - just with some
oddities round the edges. Does that make more sense?

Ah, sugar and not vinegar :-)

[snip]

Rowland.

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at you." Rowland McDonnell. June 2007: "What you need to consider is that I am
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