Re: How would you handle this?

Lachlan - KotU <hamfish(nospam)@gmail.com> wrote:

"Rowland McDonnell" <real-address-in-sig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Lachlan - KotU <hamfish(nospam)@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]

And if it lands you with a punch in the mouth, then that's your own
responsibility.

It never has done yet and I don't think it ever will.

And if it does, well, sooner a bloody nose and black eye for me than
*NOT* standing up to the Nazi scum.

What's your excuse for not speaking out against Nazi scum if you come
across their opinions?

My excuse is that as long as they are not directly victimising someone, then
they are entitled to say what they like.

But the way it works is that they persuade people to agree with them,
get together a bunch of like-minded scum, and then do scummy things.

This is how it works - and the best way to deal with the process is to
nip it in the bud. Basically, expressing hateful opinions causes such
opinions to spread further - and if it's not stopped at some point, it
can get really bad.

It's what happened in Nazi Germany. I know, I know, Godwin's law and
all that but I'm not comparing anyone to a Nazi, I'm just pointing out
that this is what happens and it's evil and it must be stopped at source
before it spreads.

It's like fire: easy to put out before it's taken too much of a hold,
but very hard to deal with once it has.

What I have learned in my short, brutish life is that there is, and never
will be, any justice in the universe.

What I have learnt in my short life which hasn't been brutish except
where the authorities have taken it upon themselves to abuse me is this:

There is decency in the human world, and it always prevails against
indecency just so long as decent people stand up for decency.

Now I wish I could share your optimism about human nature, but I've been on
the receiving end of the malice of others far too many times.

You think I've missed out on that?

I've no idea what you mean by `optimism about human nature'. I just see
what's what in the world.

Most of the time, life is pretty decent for most people because most of
the time most people behave decently to their fellow man. And that's
the way it goes.

When people behave like Anton LaVey wanted, you get *** like the 30
years war and so on.

The more people make the effort to behave decently to their fellow man,
the better life is for everyone - and it often works out pretty damned
well indeed.

On the other
hand, I don't have such an inflated opinion of myself that I feel the
"authorities" care any more about me than a smudge on the window of the
toilet on the third floor of the Social Work department building.

The authorities have imprisoned me, and held me captive while drugging
me senseless. The authorities have been paying careful attention to me
for several years, putting a lot of effort into blocking my every
attempt to gain access to the health care I need.

We are all pawns of blind chance,
blown hither and thither by the winds of cosmic folly. And the only
language people really heed is the stuttering bark of machinegun fire and
the discordant soprano of shrapnel.

If you'd been born in (say) 1933 or 1907 or whatever (one of my uncles
and one of my grandmothers respectively), I might understand that
attitude, but you've never experienced aerial bombing (soprano shrapnel?
More like earth-shaking ear-drum rattling explosions after which you're
temporarily deaf so can't hear the shrapnel at all) or being
machine-gunned in the street. My mother's mother experienced both -
along with lots of others from her generation.

My mother too.

What, actually got machine-gunned by an aeroplane while walking down the
street? Blimey. It was more common than I thought, then.

And my father, as you well know sent many men to a watery grave.

Actually, I didn't know that last bit.

Point is, neither you nor I have experienced that sort of thing.

The more time passes, the more sense I see in the teachings of LaVeyan
"Satanism".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism

The man's a festering pus-filled boil on the backside of humanity.

Not really, he died in 97.

That "apostrophe ess" meant `was' not `is'.

And I think if you see past the amateur
theatrics of the movement, there is a lot to be said for their general
"point".

Not his brand, not as far as I'm concerned.

for example:

# Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love
wasted on ingrates!

But the way the world works is that if you do that, everything ends up
shittier.

# Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!

Ditto.

His philosophy is all about making the world a worse place for all. I'm
wholly opposed to it.

My philosophy is `be nice and you won't need a knife'

You'll NEVER not need a knife.

As a weapon for self-defence, I'll never need one.

As a tool, I'll never be without one (in the general sense - I might not
have one on me at any given moment, but I know where to get one if I
need it and so on).

The reason I'll never need a knife as a weapon is that I don't know how
to use one as a weapon. If I ever do have to use a weapon, it's likely
to be a stick of some sort and jabbed straight at someone, not swung
(faster to use, harder to avoid).

But I suspect even that's fairly unlikely - not unless I'm 87 and it's
my walking stick and I'm prodding some uppity 45-year old youngster for
being disrespectful to his elders and betters. <cough> Who me, looking
forward to being a really appalling old man? Nah, surely not?

Rowland.

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