Re: Look!!! He's acting a bit 'weird'!

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of mice and monkfish wrote:

On 8 Jun, 11:53, nigel <use...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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of mice and monkfish wrote:


If you wish a poster would clear off, as far as i'm concerned, you
are
entitled to your opinion, and you are entitled to express it - but
that doesn't mean i agree with it, or that your opinion is 'right' or
morally acceptable.

Go back and re-read it for yourself. It's right there in black and
white. I don't know how i can state my position any more clearly than
that.

See if I've got this right - you believe in freedom of speech, but if
someone expresses a different opinion to yours, you can challenge them
and call them names?




Calling someone who has put forward an inconsistent, untenable
position a 'hypocrite' is not calling someone names.

I believe in the principle of freedom of speech, but there is a responsibility on the speaker not to put their own needs or beliefs above all others.

You call me a hypocrite, yet I freely admit I moderate various newsgroups - that means I suppress spammers. Yes, I suppress 'free speech'. I think my position is consistent.

At last you seem to see some of the weaknesses in your analogy.

I was describing certain trends i saw, and exaggerating them to make
them evident. I didn't mean it literally. In that respect, all
anaolgies are 'weak'.



A better one might be to regard this as a group of dentists. sgates has
come in here with a broken leg and is screaming his head off. I want him
to go to A&E to get help. You want him to stay so you can hug him,
without treating the source of his pain. And all the time, nervous
patients who want help with dental problems are turning away because of
all the screaming.

That's a really poor analogy, for all sorts of reasons.

It's certainly not ideal.

For one
thing, you say this is a group of dentists, then you start talking
about patients. Who are the patients and who are the dentists? Are
you a dentist, or a patient?

The people who suffer depression are both patients and dentists - they are suffering and yet they have knowledge and experience that can help other patients. I'm not a patient or a dentist, more like a hospital visitor.

Also, the conclusions you draw from this weak analogy are not even
consistent. Say someone fell over and outside the dentist and twisted
his ankle and is taken into the waiting room so he can sit down and
take some time to recover. Would you say that it would be totally
unacceptable for the dentist to sit the chap down and try to make him
as comfortable as possible, to give him ice for his ankle and a chair
to sit down on?

That's an extremely weak argument. sgates is screaming his head off and making zillions of posts here isn't going to help him.

Moreover, lots of other people here have other, non-depression-related
problems. We have people with OCD, we have alcoholics, we have people
with broken hearts, we have hypomanics, we have BPDs, we have
aspergics, in the past we had a regular poster who was a paranoid
schizophrenic, and another chap who was blind, we have someone here at
present with Korsakoff's syndrome, we have people who can't find a bra
that fits, Peter Clark was dying from cancer, we've had people talking
about news servers and computer problems, we've recently had a thread
about ordering coffee at starbucks and using the train. Now,
according to you, none of these subjects should be allowed to be
brought up, either, since they are not depression, and we do not have
the necessary 'expertise' to help these people.

I didn't say that. Please don't make things up to support a weak argument.

This newsgroup is here to support people suffering from depression. General discussion is an accepted part of that. How has sgates involved himself in general discussion?


So you regard sgates as part of the we?

You mean someone, a human being, suffering from acute mental distress
and not knowing what to do about it? Yes.

So sgates also has the responsibility of your 'we' to take into consideration of the feelings of others and offer support. How is he doing that?


It goes without saying that he needs help that we cannot give - that
is in fact true for everyone here. Can you heal BTN's broken heart?
No - so why don't you tell him to take is some place else? Can you
help Moondog go into a cafe and order a latté? No? Well, according
to you he has no business bringing it up here.

I have never said that. Stop making things up to support a weak argument.

Moreover, i'm not so sure that taking his meds will help. I have a
certain amount of distrust in the psychiatric establishment, and do
not presume to say definitively what's best for someone in such a
situation, because i just don't know.

Apparently he posted here before, then went quiet. His own postings seem to confirm that he stopped taking his meds. Presumably the meds helped to control his condition such that he didn't need to shout all the time.

What we're doing for S. Gates is the same that we're doing for
everyone else here - we're keeping our fingers crossed and hoping for
the best.

What, no advice on how to get his pdoc to keep an appointment?

Evil Nigel

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