Re: Hello Again

Rowland McDonnell wrote:


Bollocks: there's nothing about fox hunting that counts as torture, and
New Labour has done nothing to stop it.

If anyone has an open mind on the subject, track down the internet videos of what happens when a pack of hounds catch up with a fox. There's no room for that in a civilised society.

> There is more fox hunting going
on since the ban on letting the dogs kill the fox the respectful way
with more people signed up to the hunts than there have been for ages,
in some areas at least.

Most of your spiel is straight out of the pro-hunt lobby propaganda sheets, although you've missed the bits about the 10,000 lost jobs and all those cute little doggy-woggies that had to be put down.

Could it be that people are finding hunting more attractive now that it doesn't involve the torture or wild animals.

Of course, there will be a few hunts deliberately breaking the law - after all, laws are for little people. I'm guessing you can recognise them because they have the words 'Royal' or 'Old' in their names.


What New Labour has done is demand that the fox be shot at the end of
the hunt rather than given the respectful natural death of being ripped
to shreds by the hounds at the instant

No! watch the videos. You've never witnessed the end of a hunt, have you. New Labour has made it illegal to hunt foxes with more than one hound.

the chase ends; for sure it's a
violent, bloody, messy process: but it's natural,

It's not natural. Foxhounds have been deliberately bred and trained.

and what I've seen
makes it look too fast for the fox to suffer at all.

No! watch the videos. You've never witnessed the end of a hunt, have you.

Keeping the beast
captive until it's shot - that's cruel, that is, even if it's only for a
short while. Horrible, foul - make my stomach churn in a way that
seeing a fox torn to shreds by dogs does not.

So when you eat meat, your stomach churns because it has been shot with a stun gun first. You rather your food animals were ripped to shreds while still alive?


Chasing an animal down in a hunt is normal life for wild animals, and
they get killed in a timely and fast enough to be painless fashion if
the dogs do it. Shooting them as they do once they've been caught now
does nothing to reduce the stress of the chase - you're allowed to hunt
a fox with hounds still, and that continues. So I don't see any
problems: Cameron's talking about making fox hunting more respectful to
the foxes again, and removing the disrespect for life that Bliar's lot
decided to enforce on the country.

Cameron is talking about pissing on the grave of democracy. There has been a majority against hunting wild mammals with hounds virtually since the end of world war 2. That majority has slowly grown until the percentage is now approximately 75%. To re-introduce hunting when less than 25% of the population is in favour would be an absolute disgrace.


Foxs hunting is in any event a much more respectful way of treating
foxes than killing them with poison and traps, which is how they are
killed in non-fox hunting areas - where fox numbers are very low.


So Swiss assisted-suicide clinice should show respect for their patients by ripping out their insides while still alive, because killing them painlessly makes your stomach churn?

The stats I've seen show that fox hunting areas have more foxes in them
than other areas.

Actually, many urban areas have higher concentrations of foxes than the countryside. There's quite a large population where I live. They're a bit of a nuisance when they 'dance' in my rhubarb patch, but my neighbour says he stays up at night to watch them sometimes.

This is because foxes are vermin, and if you've not
got payment for letting the hunt use your land, you've no incentive to
let the foxes live, and they don't.

Typical pro-hunt lobby rubbish. I bet you support hunts breeding foxes deliberately so there are more to be hunted. Foxes are vermin, but they also prey on vermin - less foxes, more rats.


So if you care about animal welfare and having wildlife in the
countryside, you'll be in favour of removing the requirement to shoot
the fox at the end of the hunt which is all New Labour has done `for'
foxes.

Untrue and without foundation.

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