Re: Freecycle leads to Yahoo email woes

"Hawkeye23" <me@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Sat, 12 May 2007 18:55:46 -0000, "Jeff Gaines"
<jgaines_newsid@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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My outgoing mail (SMTP) is set to use SMTP authorisation (RFC 2554)
and same User Name/Password as for mail retrieval. Require secure
authentication is not ticked. It uses port 25.

Receiving mail is just marked 'regular'. It uses port 119.

It's all standard i.e. no special protocols, may be worth setting
up another account and just put in your user name and password and
leave all the other settings as standard?

I have eventually got to the bottom of it - I think.
Ah, great!
:-)

Despite all the multiple and incessant error messages saying the
password was wrong - it turned out there was nothing wrong with it -

Well, there *was* actually something wrong with it!!!
Which is why it was failing at the Authentication stage, when you
(your Mail Client) tried to Authenticate with the Mail Server/
Account...

Remember a User Name & PassWord pair has various different "access
rights" allowed (granted) to it, depending on whatever the Service
Provider decides...

as evidenced by the fact that I could access my Yahoo mail account
via their Webmail site with the same password.

Exactly!

So that means that you did have the correct PassWord for that
UserName...

But (for some reason, which you hadn't (then), worked out), it wasn't
being Authenticated with the *POP3* Mail Server...

It also turned out I could send emails from my yahoo addy using OE -
to my normal ISP addy noproblem.I still don't understand that.

That would normally be done using your *ISP's* SMTP (Outgoing) mail
Server (which *doesn't* need to be logged on to, using SMTP Auth)
- though you can also use the Yahoo one, providing you *do* Set
the Mail Client to log on to it, using Authenticated SMTP.

That's all normal stuff, done to help limit the amount of spam being
Sent through the various SMTP Servers

However when I tried to send emails in the opposite direction ie
from ISP addy to Yahoo addy - using OE - the emails went out of my
outbox ok but did not come back into my OE inbox.

But they *were* arriving at the Yahoo Mail Account OK? - Weren't they?
As you say below...

So that means you were well on the way to pinpointing the prob.
:-)

On logging into my Yahoo Mail a/c via their Webmail site the emails
were there but hadn't been forwarded to OE.

The Mails *aren't* "Forwarded" to OE - OutLook Express!

They are "fetched" by OE.
That's actually an important (& crucial) distinction to "get your
head round"!
:-)

When you realise that's the way it works, (i.e. Mails are Sent to
a Mailbox (on a Mail Server) & *not* to a particular PC - they are
just "collected" by the PC Mail Client from the Mail Server) it becomes
*much* easier to undertsand the reason for any probs & to track them
down & suss the probs out.

By delving into the Yahoo Mail Help pages for the UK - I did
eventually find a sentence as follows

'First ensure you have enabled POP access on your Yahoo!
email address

Ah!
Great!

That's it then!
Like I mentioned in a previous Post - some Yahoo Mail Accounts
do come with POP3 Access, but not all do.

& some (such as yours) come with it available, but not *Enabled*!

by logging in at http://uk.mail.yahoo.com and clicking
Options>POP and Forwarding.
Check 'Web & POP Access' is selected and saved.'

In my case it wasn't selected but when I did everything worked
ok and all the error messages stopped.

Great!!!
Glad you got that sussed out OK!
:-)

So it looks as if (at least in my case) when I set up the Yahoo
Account the POP Forwarding/Access was not enabled by default.
Has anyone else had this experience when setting up a Yahoo Account
either via Freecycle or otherwise.

Yep.
Lots of people have...
Which is actually why I mentioned it in one of my earlier replies!
:-)

I wonder why they do it that way.Many thanks.

It saves Server Loading, (& possibly Administration0 perhaps?

Many people won't want to use (or may not even know about being
able to use) POP3 Access.
Yahoo Mail is *primarily* a Web based Service.

All the time people use the Yahoo WebSite to access their eMails,
(which most people prolly do?) that lets Yahoo Serve them up with
plenty of Adverts on the Web Pages, doesn't it?

But with POP3 eMail Access, there's far less opportunity for them to
Serve up loads of Adverts - only by actually *Inserting* Adverts into
the Mails.

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pmj


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