Re: Extra RAM Installation Blues Vol 2

pmj wrote:
> "Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°°6 +" <flyingnun@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:425m1fF1hv58kU1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> pmj wrote:
>> <snipped>
>>> Funnily enough, I was going to Post up shortly a sort of
>>> "General Info" type Post with a pointer to a (another, different)
>>> very handy "System Information" type Utility!
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> I know a lot of people often mention things like Aida32 (now
>>> Everest) & Belarc Advisor, when ever anybody wants some more
>>> Information about their System (over & above the stuff that
>>> msinfo32 (the micro$oft System Information Utility) supplies...
>>>
>>> SiSoft Sandra is another one, with a lot of Info.
>>>
>>> & most of the Memory Manufacturers, such as Crucial also offer
>>> various Motherboard & RAM Information Utilities.
>>>
>>> But CPU-Z is one that I haven't seem mentioned in here.
>>> It's available (Free!) from:
>>> http://cpuid.org/
>>> http://cpuid.org/cpuz.php
>>>
>>> That shows you *exactly* what Processor is Installed, along with
>>> a load of Information about the Motherboard, BIOS & also the *exact*
>>> Type, of RAM - Make, Model etc & which (& how much) RAM is in each
>>> Slot, along with various esoteric Info, such as the RAM Timings etc.
>>>
>> Just downloaded, installed and used it.
>
> Was it the CPU-Z Utility?
> Or the PC Wizard one, that you used?
The PC Wizard 2006

> <quote>
>>> That Site also does a (Free), System Information Utility...
>>> PC Wizard
>>> http://cpuid.org/pcwizard.php
> </quote>
>
>> It does describe the memory better than the others I've tried
>> and even gives the manufacturer.
>
> Yep.
> & the Memory Timings etc...
>
>> <quote>
>> A0 (RAS 0) : 512 (Single Bank)
>> A1 : Empty
>> A2 : Empty
>> A3 : Empty
>>
>> Information SPD EEPROM (A0) :
>> Manufacturer : Infineon
>> Part Number : AED660UD00-500B98X
>> Serial Number : 0B0200CE
>> Type : DDR-SDRAM PC3200 (200 MHz) - [DDR-400]
>> Size : 512 MB (1 rows, 4 banks)
>> <unquote>
>
> Was that the output from the PC Wizard thing then?
> It looks like it to me.
Correct
> If so, have a look at the various other Sections.
> (See below)...
>
>> It seems to suggest that there are 4 RAM sockets on the mobo,
>
> Yep.
>
>>> but as far as I can see there are only two, or are the rows
>>> something within the memory stick itself?
>
> I think that you will find that when it refers to "Size: 512 MB
> (1 rows, 4 banks)", that is talking about the actual RAM Chips on
> the RAM Memory Module itself & not the *Slots* on the Motherboard.
I thought that must have been it

>> Funnily enough it doesn't give the mobo manufacturer, but I know
>> that is a Foxconn board:
>>
>> <quote>
>> Product : SiS-741
>> Version : Unspecified
>> Serial Number : UY7245000590
>> Support MP : Yes, 1 CPU(s)
>> Version MPS : 1.4
>>
>> Chassis Information :
>> Manufacturer : Unspecified
>> Type : Desktop
>> Version : Unspecified
>> Serial Number : Unspecified
>> Asset : Unspecified
>> <unquote>
>
> Again, that looks like the output from the PC Wizard thingy & not
> from the CPU-Z Utility?
It is

> In the "Hardware" Section of the PC Wizard thingy (on the left),
> when you Select "System Summary", what does it say in the Top Pane,
> on the Right?
I've added to your list what it says
> That lists...
>
> Mainboard SIS-741
> Chipset SIS-741GX
> Processor AMD Sempron @ 1466 MHz
> Physical memory 513 MB (1 x 512 DDR-SDRAM)
> Video Card (SiS) SiS661FX/760/741/M661FX/M760/M741 GUI 2D/3D
> Accelerator Hard Disk
> Maxtor (82 GB)
> DVD (or CD) Rom Drive(s) AOPEN COM5232/AAH PRO
> Monitor Type GNR TS700 - 17 inchs
> Network Card (SiS) SiS900 10/100 Ethernet Adapter
> Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition 5.01.2600 Service
> Pack 2
> DirectX Version 9.0c
>
> All (or most) of which should show the Manufacturer (or other
> Identifier) as is stored in the actual Hardware ID Strings,
> in their respective ROMs
>
> Then, when you highlight each of those Sections (above), it shows
> which Icon (on the Left) to Select, for some more detailed Info
> for each Item.
When you do that and select Mainboard it says Manufacturer - Novatech and
Mainboard - unspecified

> When you Select the "Mainboard" Icon, the Top Pane (on the Right)
> then shows the Manufacturer ID (as stored in the BIOS) & also the
> Mainboard (Motherboard) Manufacturer, along with the BIOS & Chipset
> etc.
> Highlighting any one of those Entries then shows you (in the
> "Information" Tab in the Bottom Pane), yet more detailed Info about
> each Item.
When highlight Mainboard the bottom pane shows:
<quote>
General Information :
Product : SiS-741
Version : Unspecified
Serial Number : UY7245000590
Support MP : Yes, 1 CPU(s)
Version MPS : 1.4

Chassis Information :
Manufacturer : Unspecified
Type : Desktop
Version : Unspecified
Serial Number : Unspecified
Asset : Unspecified
<unquote>

>
> It looks to me like the Info "SPD EEPROM ()" you Posted was what
> is shown for the "Physical Memory"?
>
> There will be a listing for each of the Memory Slots that have
> a RAM Memory Module in them - scroll down a bit & see if there
> is more than one listed. (If you only have 512 MB RAM in total
> installed in your Machine, then yes, that's all on one RAM Module
> (in your particular Machine)
Yep that's correct

> You can confirm that (apart from actually *looking* at it!), by also
> Running the CPU-Z Utility...
>
> That shows some more detailed (& more specific) Info about what's
> what. But only about the Processor, Motherboard, BIOS & RAM - nothing
> about all the various other bits of other Hardware in the Machine
>
> Look on the "Mainboard" Tab - That should show the Manufacturer
> (Foxconn in your case), as well as the Model Number of it & the
> Chipset & BIOS
>
> Then, on the "Memory" Tab, it shows the basic Info about it & the
> Timing that is Set (in the BIOS) for it.
>
> But now look on the "SPD" (Serial Presence Detect) Tab - That then
> shows the specific Information for the actual RAM that is Installed
> in each Slot on the Motherboard, which you can Select from the
> DropDown List...
>
> It shows not only the Manufacturer of the RAM, but also the Part
> Number, along with the Serial Number & manufacturing Date.
>
> It also lists the bandwidth (Speed) & the Memory Timings that the
> RAM *Supports* (which may well be different from what is actually
> Set in the BIOS)
>
> If Hawkeye checks all those details (for both his RAM Modules)
> I think he will see that they are different - which is prolly why
> they don't work properly together, though they each work OK on
> their own.
>
> For his particular problem, it *may* possibly be that he can alter
> some of the Timing Settings in the BIOS, so that they will work
> together.
>
> Not all BIOS Versions actually have the Options available to change
> those Settings though - that depends on the particular BIOS
> that is on the Motherboard.
>
> All BIOS Manufacturers make the actual BIOS (& thus the Settings
> that are available in it) customizable for/by each Motherboard
> Manufacturer.
>
> BTW - on the "About" Tab of the CPU-Z Utility, there are 2 more
> useful Buttons...
> :-)
>
> [ Registers Dump (.txt) ]
> &
> [ HTML Report ]
>
> The Text File gives a full Listing of what the various Tabs show
> & the HTML one gives a brief summary of the Info.
>
> All that he needs to know about the RAM & the Motherboard is in those
> Files, so it would be worth Saving them out & looking through them.
>
> HTH
I'll take a look at the CPU-Z facility then.
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