Re: Partition and Dual Boot Vol IV (Options/Inclinations)
- From: "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 5 Dec 2005 23:46:14 GMT
On 05/12/2005 pmj wrote:
> > I think that to have 2 (or more) installations of W98 the easiest
> > thing would be to install a boot manager,
>
> & I think that actuall yintroduces a whole extra layer of complexity
> & also possibly some incompatibility?
No, I have used System Commander for years (it's on a floppy yet!) and
it's not complex, he said in his summary that he wants 2 x
installations of W98 and it's an easy way to achieve that. It manages
everything from DOS via W9x to the NT branch and Linux.It also adds an
option to boot from floppy/CD or any HD partition, it would certainly
make life a lot easier to achieve what Hawkeye is after without going
into the BIOS or switching active partitions. I couldn't have set up my
dual boot (DOS/W98) PC without it.
> Yep, OK, while it definitely can be useful to know about using
> (Independent, 3rd Party), Boot Managers, I reckon that it isn't
> really needed, yet, just at the mo?
I think it's the easiest way to get to what he wants - 2 x
installations of W98.
> By far the easiest way of doing things would be to forget about trying
> to Run Multiple Installations of W98SE?
It would be much easier to buy a new PC with an OS installed but look
at his post - that's not what he wants :-)
> I would say that there's actually a strong case for making (all of)
> those Partitions smaller than that?
> Then he could create Additional Partitions, if he needs to, without
> having to Delete thes exisiting Partitions?
Well, I'm sure he can decide exactly how many, that's up to him :-)
> & also he could just Create one of the Partitions (the Primary
> Partition) & Install the WinXp into that & then use the (buit-in)
> Graphical User Interface of the WinXP Disk Management Utility thing,
> to Create the otther Partitions (the Extended Partition & the Logical
> Drives within it)
That doesn't achieve what he wants, without a boot manager anyway. 2 x
bootable installations of W98 are going to need 2 x primary partitions.
If he uses a boot manager then he doesn't need any additional primary
partitions, but he can't put XP into the new primary partition if he
wants 2 x W98 installs without a boot manager, XP can go anywhere.
> Unfortunately, although you can use FDisk to mark any (Primary)
> Partition as Active on a Physical Disk, doing that doesn't Mark
> any other Primary Partition on any other Physical Disk) as not
> Active!
OK, but without a boot manager he is going to need to be able to switch
active partitions to boot separate W98 installs.
> But having said all of that, there's no reason why you can't have an
> Operatin gSystem on the (New, 2nd, Physical) Hard Disk which actually
> uses the Boot Sec tor in the (Active) Primary Partition on the 1st
> Hard Disk!!! (or, in fact the other way round!)
That's true of NT/Linux but not W98 because msdos.sys sits in the
primary partition and you can only have one copy (again a boot manger
would deal with that by copying files around depending on the menu
option chosen).
> > If you then boot from your W98 recovery disk you can see if it
> > allows you to install W98 on the new active drive. If it wants to
> > rip your new partitions off
>
> Bu thow wil lhe know what it wants to do?
> *before* it does it?
Well I was hoping it would put something on the screen that he could
read and give him some options :-) Mine certainly does, but as I said
it needs to be tried.
> Yep - & I reckon that having 2 Installations of w98SE will not really
> be what he actually really wants to use?
It's what Hawkeye said he wants, I'm trying to stick to his
specification :-)
> > ... You may also want to use Partition Commander to shrink the old
> > drive and put an extended partition/drives on that to make room
> > for XP.
>
> Yep, but all of that can actually be done after Installing WinXP?
No, if he uses the primary partition on the new HD for XP then his
chance to install a second W98 is lost, unless he uses a boot manager
which would make it a heck of a lot easier. He could have several W98
installs and even a plain DOS install with a Boot manager. He could
even try Linux if he gets adventurous!
> Thanks for letting me join in with your game of ball!!!
>
> & I hope you don't mind me picking it up, looking at it, turning
> it around & throwing it back, for you to catch!!!
No problems but I don't think he will achieve what he has said he wants
to if he puts XP on the primary partition of the new HD, without a boot
manager, he needs that partition for W98. He wants to compare a fresh
install of W98 with his current one to see what difference 4 years of
crud makes :-)
If he decides that he can't face the pain of 2 x W98 installs after
reading this then there are much simpler options, it's the dual W98
installs that need to be thought through, once that's done XP will be a
doddle :-)
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Jeff Gaines - Damerham Hampshire UK
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