Re: Partition and Dual Boot Vol lll - the nitty gritty
- From: "pmj" <post@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 10:03:59 GMT
"Hawkeye23" <me@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> As a change from trying to bend my mind to all the options and
> strategies you've all been so helpful with,I yesterday took the
> first faltering steps of the practical implementation - and
> installed the new and second HDD.
Sounds like a perfectly reasonable idea!!!
:-)
After all, you can always Wipe whatever you bung on it out once you've
had a bit of a Fiddle with it & "got your head around" some of the
Concepts & what's involved!
& once you've done some of that, I'm sure you'll understand a lot more
of what's been said!
:-)
Don't be afraid to experiment with different suggestions -you can always
wipe it & start again, putting into practice what you've found out...
& (now that you know you can Create a proper w98 SE Install CD (& make
it a Bootable CD), you can even take some chances & muck around with
the *other* (existing hard Disk - or have an "accident" with it & not
worry too much, cos you can Re-Install the w98 OK.
:-)
> The good news is the CMOS/BIOS can see the details of both new and old
> HDDs.The bad news is that W98SE cannot see the new HDD in My Computer.
Good.
& does it recognise the full size of it?
There shouldn't really be a prob with an 80 GB Hard Disk - it's only
the "137 GB 48 Bit LBA (Logical Block Addressing)" Limit that some
BIOSes & Motherboards have probs with.
> Is that perhaps because it's not partitioned/formatted yet
Yes.
>... or for some other reason.
No - unless it's faulty, but then the BIOS wouldn't recognise it.
Just Partition it & then Format the Partitions & w98 will recognise
them OK.
> If the former do we not need a bootable FD to partition/format the
> new HDD.
Nope.
FDisk will Partition it OK.
& Format will then be able to Format the Partitions.
Both of those will actually work OK in a w98 "Command Prompt (MSDOS)
*Window* as well as when Booted up directly into MSDOS.
But windoze won't let you Format the Disk that it's actually Booted Up
from, (which at the mo, is your *other* hard Disk, with the C: Drive
on it), even if you say "Yes, I really am sure" at the Prompt.
>...Because the second lot of bad news is that my FD drive now won't
> work.
Oh.
Well, don't worry too much about that then - just make sure to Create
a Bootable *CD* - you can use that as a Boot Disk.
>... It's still there in My Computer and on the Desktop and in Device
> Manager but when you click on it nothing happens and eventually a big
> red cross appears saying 'Drive A not accessible'.
Is that even with a (working!) Floppy Disk in it?
& is the Floppy Disk in the right way round?
:-)
> Is this perhaps because we have too many drives on the system
Nope.
>... or for some other reason.We do now have 5 drives - 2xHDD, a FD,
> a Iomega Zip,and a DVD/CD ROM and all appear on the CMOS list.
Well ,it *could* just be a duff (dead) Floppy Disk Drive - but check
the Power & Data Leads to it - I assume that it *did* work OK, recently?
You may have wiggled something loose, when fitting in the New Hard Disk,
perhaps?
& check that the Data Lead hasn't been reversed - though if it has been,
then it wouldn't have worked before.
> Before I fitted the new HDD (and lost the A: drive) I had fiddled with
> the Emergency FD I made several years ago but never needed to use.
> I used it several days ago to try to answer a pmj question about a
> hidden partition and used FDisk and it seemed to work ok.Yesterday
> (before I added the HDD) I tried it again in DOS and it came up with a
> load of error messages too fast to read and I couldn't change drives
> from A to C.
Try using the [Pause/Break] Key when that happens, to Pause the
Scrolling Display, so you can Read it - use any other Key to Start it
again.
>... So I tried to make a new Emergency FD from Windows and
> failed cos it wanted the W98SE CD installed which as regular readers
> will know we do not have!
Well ,try Pointing it to the Folder with the .CAB Files in it?
Or have a look in the windoze\Command\ Directory.
Post up a listing of what's in there & in particular, see if there is
a Folder (Directory) called "EBD" - which stands for "Emergency Boot
Disk" - that contains Files that you can make a Boot Disk with, though
some wi98 Installations don't have that Folder.
>... How I made the other Emergency FD several years ago I do not
> Know.So head banging time with Bootable FDs but there's nothing
> can be done on that till we get the A drive back.
Well, you can make a Bootable *CD* (from either the Files in the EBD
Directory, or from the Contents of the relevant .CAB Files that you've
Found - or you can Download Boot Disk stuff!
There's *always* a way round probs like that, don't worry - loads of
people have had all those sort of probs before, so there won't be
anything that you come up against that can't be sorted.
> You were both forecasting that as soon as we got started with the
> practicalities of this project there would be problems.
Exactly!!!
& (like Boo says - often!) Coming up against problems (& making
mistakes is one of the many ways that you can learn about things
& find things out (as well as following Tutorials & hare-brained
crazy ideas from various people, who just like to try doing things
just to 2see if they can" (or cos someone says that it can't be done!)
> I have just confirmed that in spades.Help please.
See above.
Get the New Hard Disk Partitioned & Formatted first, then make sure
to back up all the stuff that you really don't want to lose from your
*existing* Hard Disk (or do that first! - if you haven't already)
& then make a w98 Install CD & then make a Bootable w98 Install CD.
> PS On the hidden partition question the info on the old HDD from
> FDisk was'Partition C1 Status A Type PRI DOS Label WIN98_SE Mbytes
> 39080 System FAT32 Usage 100%'
> Does this info tell us unequivocally whether we have a hidden
> partition or not?
I think it does!
:-)
But things like PTInfo & PTEdit (&/or PTInfo32 & PTEdit32) will tell
you with absolute certainty, cos they actually Display the Partition
Table & the Info in it.
>... (aren't hidden partitions hidden?).
Well, yes!
But they do take up some Space, don't they?
:-)
So if the Partition that is Visible (& "Active" - that means
"Bootable" or "Startable" & is signified by the "A" in that bit you
Quoted), uses "100%" of the Hard Disk, then there isn't much room
left for any "Hidden" Partitions!!!
But PTEdit (or PTInfo) will also tell you the exact Type of any
(& *all*) Partitions on the Hard Disk.
Each Entry in the Partition Table has a Byte that Sets (specifies)
the Partition "Type" & there can actually be several different *Types*
of "Hidden" Partition.
That's actually how I managed to get a Factory Recovery Image (from
an OEM Factory Recovery CD) to Install into a different Sized Partition
on my PC - It wanted to put it into the largest Partition, which it
made by Deleting the first Partition on the Hard Disk (which it thought
would be the only Partition, BTW) & then looking for the Largest Free
Space (which *would*, in that case have been the same partition that
it had Deleted, plus any other Free Space - So I wiped the Hard Disk,
(Re-)Created the Partitions that I wanted, marked one of them as"Hidden"
(using PTEdit) & then the Factory Recovery couldn't see it!!!
So it happily Deleted the *other* (smaller) Partition & then bunged
the Factory Image into *that* (thus leaving my "Hidden" partition
untouched, so I "Unhid" it & then used it as normal - it all worked
a treat.
:-)
Beware though - not all Factory Recovery things will work that way -
(ask Boo!!!<g>) some will trample over the Partition Table & Delete
*all* the Partitions, regardless of what they are & then ReWrite the
Partition Table.
The only real way to find that out though, is to try it...
:-)
I/we was/were prepared for that to happen, so made sure to Copy
anything that I/we really didn't want to lose from the Hard Disk,
before doing that.
What we *weren't* prepared for (when Boo did it), was finding out that
the Factory recovery Disk & Boot Disk that she had, along with the
FDisk on it was in *German*!!! & we had some fun & games sussing out
what all the various MSDOS type Error Messages were, when they came up
in German!
:-)
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pmj
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