Re: Partition and Dual Boot MkII (longish)
- From: "pmj" <post@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:27:14 GMT
"Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On 01/12/2005 Hawkeye23 wrote:
>
> [snipped]
>
>> As ever all thoughts and advice gratefully received.
>
> Some starting thoughts (not in any order, I have only had one cup of
> tea so far), there's several ways of doing this and you'll want to see
> what sort of input you get before you decide.
>
> A 'normal' W98 CD contains the following:
>
> <DIR> ADD-ONS
> <DIR> DRIVERS
> <DIR> TOOLS
> <DIR> WIN98
> README.TXT
> SETUP.EXE
> SETUPTIP.TXT
>
> So you can compare yours with that layout.
& Also an Autorun.inf File
& (usually? - possibly depending on whether it's an OEM or Retail
Version?) a Folder called "cdsample"
In the w98 Folder, there should be not only the .CAB Files, such as
BASE4.CAB (& BASE5.CAB & BASE6.CAB) but also DRIVER11.CAB up to
DRIVER20.CAB Mini.CAB (!<g>) NET7.CAB (& NET8.CAB & NET9.CAB),
PRECOPY1.CAB PRECOPY2.CAB & then the main W98SE Installation .CAB
Files...
WIN98_21.CAB up to WIN98_74.CAB & WIN98_OL.CAB
There will also be various other Files & .COM & .EXE Files, but you will
also need:
Setup.exe & w98Setup.bin
> W98 OS will fit comfortably in 6GB
*Easily*!!!
It Runs happily in less than *1* GB!!!
> and XP in 12GB
Yep with a Large Hard Disk, there's no point in skimping, but you
*can* actually (perfectly well) Run WinXP in well under 5 GB - though
that doesn't leave much room for Installing BloatWare type Programs
such as M$ Office etc.
& it assumes that if you want to have a load of stuff (large Files)
in "My Documents" that it will be on another Partition.
>...so you could partition your 40GB disk and get 2 x W98 and 2 x XP
> installations.
Make sure, though, to allow Room for a Partition for your own stuff? -
My Documents etc.
>... You need to think of licensing restrictions,
Not a prob!!!
>... you will have some issues activating 2 copies of XP as you only
> have one licence.
Yep - But if they are on the *same* Machine/Hardware (which they are),
then there's no problem at all.
The License says you can't (shouldn't) Install & Run a Copy of WinXP
on more than one *Machine* - & since you can't Boot Up into & Run a Dual
Boot System into more than one Installation at a time, there's no prob
with the License, or with Activation.
Besides...
If there was a prob with Activation, you would just have to be prepared
to keep Wiping (one of) the Installations & Re-Installing it, each time
ithe 30 days Activation Period Runs out.
You can do that with the "test2 partition & never Activate it,
if you want.
> Using a recovery CD to install W98 on a second partition is not easy,
> pmj has managed it but it took a while,
LOL!!!
Yep - & a fair bit of Trial & Error along the way!
:-)
>... with his input though you should be able to do it.
I would suggest (especially since he already has the w98 Installation
& now has a *2nd* Hard Disk, tah the could do that a bit later?
No real need to try it now, since the need to Partition the *existing*
Hard Disk with the current W98SE Installation on it (so as to fit WinXP
on) doesn't now exist, with having a *separate* HArd Disk.
But yes, obvioualy, if he wants to do it I'm up for that!
:-)
>... But see below as there may be an easier way.
>
> I keep my OS and data on separate disks because (a) it's easier to
> backup the data and (b) I re-install every 59 days so it needs to be
> quick and easy for me.
Makes eminent sense!!!
& there are several ways of doing that & achieving a workable
solution...
> To achieve what you want I would do something like:
>
> Fit the new HD (shout if you need advice) and partition and format
> it to FAT32 using you existing W98 OS.
Yep - FAT32 makes sense, cos you *can* (if you ever need to) Access
anything on a FAT32 Partition from either w98 or WinXP.
But w98 can't access anything on an NTFS Partition (without 3rd Party
Utilities)
<snip a complicated *sounding* bu teminently Logical & sensible way
of doing it to save Lines in this Reply>
:-)
> Make another folder on the new HD called 'DataBack' and copy every
> bit of important data into it, i.e. Word documents, spreadsheets,
> everything that's important to you.
Yep!!!
That's very important...
It's surprising how much stuff windoze stores, that *is* important
to you, but it stores it elsewhere, other than in the "My Documents"
Folder.
& for many people, it's not until you have lost that sort of stuff,
only *after* having found that it wasn't actually stored in the
"My Documents" Folder, that they think about it!!!
:-(
>... If you don't use Agent for mail then copy the mailbox of your
> email client and its address book (let us know what email client
> you use if you need advice on where to find these).
& don't forget your Favorites!!!
& the (Downloaded) Install Files (along with License Keys etc,)
for any Programs & Utilities that you have Downlaoded from the Web.
As well as UserNames & PassWords (& Server Names & Phone Numbers etc,)
for any ISP Dial Up/ADSL & eMail & News Accounts etc.
<snip a bit>
> Have a look at Partition Commander and see if it runs under W98
> or if it needs to run from a floppy.
>
> Empty the recycle bin, check the 'C' drive and de-frag it.
*After* also Emtying the Temp Folder(s) in w98 & the Temporary Internet
Files (Cache) Folder - which is *different * from the Temp Folder, but
can contain a large number of (Fragmented) Files Folders, scattered all
over the Hard Disk.
> Run Partition Commander and shrink the current primary partition
> on the 'C' drive to about 6GB.
Wouldn't it be a good idea to do all this *after* he has got the main
WinXP Installation Up & Running?
It *sounds* ever so complicated, for a first time go?
Though yes, do that preparation once & you won't need to do it again
(or it will be easier the next time you *do* need to do it)!
:-)
> Re-boot and see if W98 still works - if it doesn't then you still have
> your data on the new drive.
& you will also have the WinXP Install CD, ready to Install WinmXP
anyway.
:-)
But the *Data* is the most important bit to think about there.
> I'll stop there because you need to have a think about how many
> copies of each OS you want to install and if you're happy with these
> suggestions (and others that will be made) before you proceed :-)
Yes - It's always a good idea to read through *all* the suggestions
& clarify any of them that you aren't sure about & be aware of probs
that *can* occur, so you know what to expect &look out for & don't
Panic, when they happen!!!
> We also need some input from a W98 guru,
<pmj puts hand(s) up!>
>... I'm sure W98 will install in a logical drive in an extended
> partition but it would be good to have that confirmed.
Yes, it will, but you need to think about the Size Limitations of the
Disks it can Access & stuff like that.
I reckon that (for most people) it's prolly not really worth the
"Faffing around" needed to get Multiple Installations of w98
Installed (& Bootable) - though it *can* be done.
Stick with just one & have Multiple Installations of WinXP!
far more practical use & *much* easier to do.
But if he really wants to yep, we can do that!
:-)
BTW - with w98, a quick & easy way to achieve a similar Result is to
just *Copy* the whole of the w98 Installation (Folders, Files & All)!!!
To another Drive!!!
You *can* actually do that (the Copying of the Files & Folders) from
within w98 - if you make sure not to try & Copy the Swap File & if you
turn off the TaskScheduler, which uses a File called Schedlog.txt cos
those Files are held "Open" by windoze & it won't let you Copy them.
You can even Copy them (the Files & Folders of the Installation)
to a *Folder* on the same Drive!
:-)
But that's a bit silly, if you're going to Wipe (Format) the Drive...
Though yes, there are ways round that as well, so you can have a sort
of "Backup Image", though it's not an actual *Image* - it's just a
bundle of Files & Folders.
& you Copy it all Back when you need it, just Deleting the other ones -
as opposed to Formatting the Drive.
Alternatively Copy them from *outside* the W98 Installation (for
instance from within WinXP).
Then just Copy them Back when you want to have a Fresh Installation!
:-)
Believe it or not it's that easy!!!
& that way, with a decent, fast Hard Disk, I find you can do the whole
w98 Installation in less than 10 minutes!
:-)
Though *some* people I know who have tried that say it can take
15 or 20 minutes.
--
pmj
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