Re: Is there anyway to find out where sombody has moved to?


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Only if you can tell me what you mean by using pin to alter the 'states
of
mind'.

I already have done; pain triggers endorphins in the brain,
So that's a biological action nothing strange about it.

That's right; there's nothing particularly strange about altered states
either. I mean, they may feel strange to the person experiencing them, but
they're basically just biological. Think about it; one form of "altered
state" is induced by halucinogenic or otherwise psychoactive drugs. Well,
that's a purely biological reaction to a chemical, innit? Nothing strange
about it, although the experience may be strange.

So are you saying that is what the books that V.s friend has on
the power of blood and how the mind can control the universe is talking
about.

Using our own neurochemicals, triggered by pain, to induce an altered
state is really not much different.

And is this what you think this book Vs friend has is talking about.


which can lead to an altered state of mind (for example a trance state),
as detailed in the Wikipedia article to which I pointed. If there's some
specific part of that you odn't understand, then feel free to ask
specific questions to clarify it, but don't keep asking the same
question, which has already been answered.

Theer isn't much to not understand.

So you understand? Excellent. Why did you say you didn't?
I didn't understand why you thought that a book about the power of blood
and changing things in the universe with your mind would also contain
the things your talking about above.
I don';t believe that these two quite different ideas will appear side by
side
in a book that Vs friend has.


You can also change the stae of your mind by drinking too much,

I'm not sure whether drunkenness technically counts as an altered state,
but it certainly affects your state of mind, yes.
You mean your state of mind doesn't get altered contrary to what you seem to
believe
and what some others belive DRINK is a DRUG.
Just because the government legalises it and gets tax from it doesn't
mean it doesn't alter the state of the mind.


If you want to know what I was talking about, why don't you go and read
the posts in which I was talking about it?

So nothing really then just basic stuff that yuo seem to make a big deal
out of.

I didn't make a big deal of anything; I simply commented on V's post. You
then went off on a tanget about firewalking and martial arts.

Why did you go on about altered states of mind.
V was talking about a book that 'explianed' the power of blood.
Now what is the connection you're claiming ?



I haven't; V mentioned the "power of blood" and specifically linked it
(presumably because the book he'd seen had done so) to altered states of
mind; I pointed out that it's not the blood which does it, it's the
pain.

Pain is in the mind.

Well, no; pain is in the cells.

No it's not. The damaged occurs in the damaged cells.
Those cells produces signals/chemicals and signals to the brain
that there is piain in that area, that's why some people experice pain
in amuptated limbs even though those limbs do not exist.
It's also why you can take pain killers to stop headaches.
The cell damaged is largely unaffected but the pain stops.
Pain killers DO NOT repair damged cells.



But according to V. the book was also about teh mind controling what
happens
in teh universe and just about everything else, he NEVER refered to
pain being the control mechanism but was using the power of thought alone
to
get something to happen such as Darren contacting V.

Yes, and that bit of the book is clearly nonsense. I was _simply_
addressing the stuff he said about the alleged "power of blood", and
trying to offer a logical explanation for that bit alone.

But the blood isn't connected to pain or altering the state of mind.


And if you bothered to go backa nd read what had been said, instead of
demanding that it be repeated for you because you were too stupid to
understand it the first time, you'd know that.

What I want to know is why you've changed the topic from some mysterious
power the mind has on the universe and everything in it to how the body
reacts to pain, but you've not going to answer that are you.

I was addressing a single point, as I've explained.

So explain how the power of blood has anything tom do with pain
or altered states of mind.


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