Re: Is there anyway to find out where sombody has moved to? Re: Wherefore art thou, V?

"whisky-dave" says
"Varizo." <var...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Thanx, im sending this to alt gothic as well, i dont go there,

Is there much point then as some prefer to only post to the groups they
visit,

Well i dont hav time to go there myself but i see that a lot gets
Xposted from there, from ppl like Jennie who are alrite and would giv
a sensibal answer if they knew anything helpful to say.

cos it dont look like anybody in the ordinarey goth NG knows
how to, and ive asked ppl in other NGs but they just think that i can
ask at the post office cos Darren might of left a forwarding address,
but he wouldent of done that cos ofall the money that he owed on bills
like the electric and bills like that and he wouldent of wanted any of
that to follow him somwhere else.

That could tell you something then, there's no way he wants to be found
by any normal/legal procedure.

I kno, which is why i need to find out wot area hes in now so that if
its not too far i can go there and just walk around in the area, im
sure that he would talk to me if he saw me cos he would be surprised
and woudlent exspect to see me there.

I dont kno why i like him so much, and i ahv treid to stop thinking
about him but i cant.

Looks like you're going to have to, why not just remember the 'good times
and move on.
I had to do that when they stopped importing Night Train Express from the
USA
gutted I was, took me weeks to recover.

Wots that? Its not a drink is it? I actualy got a bottle of whisky the
other nite and i havent had any for a long time, but its one that i
havent had befor called Prince Charlie, [i think, i havent brought it
w me so i havent got the bottle here to make sure, but i think that
thats wot its called, its not v nice]. The problem wi likeing a
person tho is that you cant make yourself stop, even if you try to.

I never use to like chavs at all, but now i do,

No, you like that particular one.

I never use to like how they dress tho, but i do now. Anyway some of
his freinds were nice as well, but not all of them, and most of the
girls were horribal, but wot i ment was how they look, i never use to
like that look at all, but i do now.

relationship, niether of us is gay, it took a lot for him to let me
kno how he felt about me,

Perhaps he's worried about turning gay.

He dosent like gay ppl at all , whcih is why he found it so difficult
feeling that way about me, he was asking me if im gay realy even tho
he knew that im not [and i dont even like gay blokes anyway] and i
told him that im not and he made it obvious that he liked me in that
way, even tho niether of us is gay, but i dident want that, i just
like being realy close to my freinds and i wanted to be realy close to
him but not in that way, i never got the chance to realy talk to him
about anything cos it was coming up to Christmas and i went to my Dads
and stayd there for weeks, but that was only to get back at Darren for
the fact that he went off for weeks that time without telling me where
hed gone and i was in a state not knowing wot had happend and thinking
that the housing ppl had moved him somwhere else adn they hadent, he
had just gone off to one of his brothers cos he needed to sort his
head out he said, and he needed to be away from me to do that, and
when he came back he jsut thougth that id fall into his arms or
somthing, and i dident cos i was so annoyd at him for just going off
like that.

cos he had tried to apparantley
so i was told, i dont think that the housing ppl can do that realy,

They can as they have to make the property secure.

But he would of put boards on the windows like he did with the others
that got broken befor, they deffintley boarded the house up to keep
him out cos they saw it as a opportunitty to get rid of him cos they
been trying to get him out since his mother fucked off and his
brothers had moved on into diffrent places and the housing ppl wanted
him out cos they said that the house was wanted for a family to move
into, they exspected him to just move out of his home just cos he
was the only one left there, and he dident see why he should do that
cos its his home and so he refused to leave, they were suposed to be
finding him somwhere suitabal, but he wasent going to just let them
put him into one room somwhere, whcih is wot they would of done if
they had got there way, and i dont think its right that they just
exspect sombody to giv up there home if they are just one person
living there and its got a few bedrooms, theres realy realy rich ppl
that liv in houses with about 10 bedrooms and nobody says that they
should move out to let some family hav the house, Darren only had 5
bedrooms in his house and one of them is v small, but just cos he was
living in sosial housing [and cos he wasent the tenant himself], they
exspected him to just move out, they think that they can just move ppl
about like in a game of chess or somthing, but its ppls lives that
they are mucking up and messing around with.

i think that that is ileagal evicktion and i want to be abel to tell
him that .

But if he;s left himself then that is not eviction,
and he's don criminal damage, perhaps that's why he's well gone.

He dident leave tho, he had only gone off again, probaly to his
brothers, he came back, but there was a fire and he couldent stay
there that night, but he was hanging around the house wanting to get
back in, but the housing ppl went there the next day and boarded it up
to keep him out, i found all this out by asking about it at the time,
but nobody knows where hes gone, and they are glad that hes gone cos
of all the bad feeling towards him from some of the scummy ppl w kids
in the area, tehy were always moaning about noise. [like they never
make any]!!

and its the way that shes beeing all pleased with
herself about Darren not being around anymore, she could at least be
sorry about how upset i am feeling about it, not so triuphant, thats
wot hurts me as well.

Seems like jealously

It is, i dont like it, and its the fact that she dont seem to care
about my feelings at all.

As for her dislike of Darren, I'd say she recognises how much he
means to you and feels threatened by it and is jealous.

Yes i kno that shes jelous of him, but that dont make it any easier
for me to cope with , knowing that dont make me feel oh its alrite
then, it annoys me.

And who should care about that ?

She should. Shes suposed to love me, she shouldent act all pleased
about somthing that i feel devasstated about.

Shes got no right to be jelous

yes she has.

Why has she? Im alowd to hav friends. Shes even jelous of my Dad. [And
went mental cos of me and *her* Dad getting on so well, and so did her
bitch of a mother, none of that was my fault, i dont understand wot
there problem is, he wasent going to get back w Kirstys mother, but
its like they think that he was and that somhow ive managed to stop if
from happning but its nothing to do with me].

and even tho
she is, she should still think about my feelings and be sorry that im
upset.

But forgetting about him would make the upset disappear.
She could try taking yuor mind of him,. suggest she cooks you a few nice
meals
for you or something. ;)

She hates cooking so she wouldent do that, anyway even if she did
somthing like that, it wouldnet take my mind off, i think about him
all the time, i dont want to, i wish that i dident,. but i cant stop.

he's caused crimuinal damged and legged it and has varouis other run ins
with the law,
he might not be a master criminal but he's not exactly good for anyone
including himself at present.

I kno wot hes like , hes done allsorts of stupid things, [like going
round smashing car windows cos he hates them being parked evrywehre]
but all that is part of wot makes him who he is, and i cant help it
but i like all that about him, i just worry that he,ll get into
troubel if hes caught doing that sort of thing, hes already in troubel
as it is for other stupid things that hes done, but all of that is
some of wot is so exciting about him, and hes such fun to be with, hes
hilarious and ever so witty and i loved being with him, how i felt
just hanging around with him , was so special, it just felt *right*
being with him, i dont realy kno how to explain it, i felt as tho we
belonged 2gether, i kno that i use to feel that about my GF but i
dont kno how i feel about her anymore, shes realy upset me adn i cant
feel the same now.

And
jelousy obvioiusly but shes suposed to love me,

perhaps that's the problem, why should she bother loving someone
that was a criminal as a close very close freind.

Dyou mean why should she love sombody who has got a criminal as a
close freind? Hes not realy a criminal, hes just done stupid things,
and anyway, if she realy loved me then who im freinds with shoudlent
make any diffrence to her loving me, if you love some one, then you
dont just stop loving them just cos they might be freinds with sombody
who you dont liek . Dont forget that shes tried to blackmail me into
not seeing my Dad and i had to finish with her one time becuase of it,
thats when i drifted into going out with Meg, whos a goth, but me and
K soon got back 2gether cos i felt that it was her thqt i loved, but
praps i would of been better off staying w Meg, but she was a bit
manipulativ as well, im not asking , or exspecting, Kirsty to like
Darren, but she should atleast acsept the fact that i realy realy like
him , and me being freinds with him is not going to alter the fact
that shes my GF, the only person who could change that is her, becuase
of her atittuede taht i dont feel that i can cope with anymore.

so she should acsept
who i want to be freinds with, she cant even acsept my Dad. I kno wot
shes like, but that dont make it any easier to cope with.

She doesn't have to accept anything in reality.
For the same reason you can';t accept darren doesn't want to be found.

But its not like hes gone off and thats that, he hasent had a choice,
tehy hav made it inpossibal for him to get back into his house, and he
thinks that i hate him so hes not going to bother trying to contact me
cos he will be thinking that theres no point, i kno that hes v
insecurre realy ,and thats alot to do wth why he acts the way he does,
i can understand that, but ive never had a proper chance to show
him.

Ask yourself this, what kind of a person is it who severely damages
their house because of a falling out with a friend?

A sensitiv and emotional one.

An unstable one.

I kno that hes probaly that as well, but its understandabal cos of the
background that hes had to deal with, a lot of ppl [including me] go
thru awful times where your heads all over the place, cos of wot youve
had to put up with.

He wouldent of done that if he hadent
of been so upset about me,

Sound like an excuse, I suppose all the other things he's done bot before
and after
meeting you are for the same reason.

No but anything new that causes more stress is not going to help him.
And he dident kno how to cope with how he felt about me, i kno that it
was insecuritty that made him shout stupid things to me in the street
calling me things and wot i thought was trying to intimidate me, its
cos he wanted to kno me, but he thought that i dident want to kno him,
and i dident, but then i sort of got the feeling that he liked me, and
it changed how i felt a bit ,even tho i wasent realy aware of it much
myself at the time, and he must of picked up on that , like
telepathickley, cos i belevie in that sort of thing, like when theres
a connection between 2 ppl, [like if your soulmates or somthing] so
he senced that my atittude had softenned abit towards him and so thats
why he got the courage to talk to me properley, which is when i
realised how much he liked me realy and realised that i realy liked
him too.

you didn't tell him to damage his house, and if the housing authority
have secured it, I should imagine it is for reasons of safety and to
keep out children who may go in there to play and could harm
themselves.

No, it was to keep him out, which like i said, i dont think that they
got any right to do.

If he's left they have.

But hes only left cos they hav stopped him from getting back in.

if me
and him get close, i can be a calming influence on him and help keep
him out of troubel, id be good for him, i kno that, and hes good for
me, i just want him back.

Well perhaps, but finding someone that doesn't want to be found
isn't easy.

He wont kno that i want to kno where he is tho. He will just be
thinking that as id gone off anyway, and then dident speak to him when
i came back, and then went off again, still without speaking to him,
[and i kno that he dident speak to me eirther, but i still could of
said somthing] but he will just be thinking that i dont care and hate
him , so he wont think that i will be missing him at all.

I had a friend who I had to say to everyone he knew that he was
staying with his mum. But in reality he had a 10 week prison
sentence.

At least *you* knew where he was tho, wot was he in prison for?

if the council are looking for him and the police and they can't find him
and/or probably wouldn't; give his location to you if they knew it
then there's not much you can do, an ad in the local paper

I dont kno if the police or anybody are looking for him, i just kno
that he use to say that if he had to move that he wouldent be letting
any of the ppl like gas and electreic kno cos of bills that he hadent
paid. I wouldent put anything in the paper cos id feel a bit daft
doing that and i dont supose that hed see it anyway cos he dont read
any papers, like i dont either, somthing else that we got in common.
See the thing is, i kno that hes awful cos of some of the stupid
things that hes done, but its awful in a good way, if you see wot i
mean, its wot makes him who he is, and its who he is that i like, cos
of how he is, and i kno that most ppl would say stay away from
sombody like him, but some of the goody goody ppl are just realy
boreing, and nobody could ever say that Darren is boreing, and like i
said, wot about me? ive been thru awful times and done stupid things,
not on the same levil as wot he has, cos i wouldent hav the nerve for
one thing, but i was in a right state for a while and got realy screwd
up after my Dad left, and it was only when my freind Adrien came into
my life and made freinds with me, that i started to feel better and he
stopped me drinking cos i was drinking whisky all the time adn felt
hopeless and deprest alot of the time, and then me and Kirsty got
2gether and all of that was wot settled me, and if it hadent been for
Ade being my freind then i dont kno where id of ended up, but if he
had told anybody about me they would proably of told him to stay away
and not bother with me, and i feel that its like that with Darren, i
could be a stabaliseing influence on him and could help him stay out
of troubel, i dont want to change him cos i like him the way that he
is, but i want him to realise that he needs to hold back from doing
certain things to keep himself out of troubel, i understand, i use
to take things from shops as well but never got caught but Darren has
only got to walk into a shop anyway and looking like a typickal chav
they are suspisious of him anyway so its not so easy for him to get
away with taking anything, i use to get watched too a lot of the time
but im good at acting realy innocent so i could fool ppl more easily
into trusting me and not bothering to watch me so much and so it was
easier for me, but i dont do nothing like that now, but cos i was in a
state emotionaly anyway at teh tiem, i just dident care, but i would
of felt even worse if id been caught, so i want to find Darren cos im
sure that i will be a good influence on him and help him to calm down
a bit . See, my GF thinks that you cant do that, she thinks that ppl
are how they are and that you cant change them, but like i said i dont
want to change him, just make him feel happy so that he wont want to
do things that will risk him getting into troubel, and anyway, Kirsty
had to calm me down a bit, even tho Ade had done most of that by the
time that she came along, i am proof tha if the right ppl come into
your life, that you can be influenced in a good way and it can stop
you form going down one way and help you to go in a better direction
than wot you would of done if they hadent come along, so that is why i
dont agree when ppl say stay away from sombody cos they are bad , cos
the right ppl can make a diffrence if they care enuff about
you.
V.

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