Re: Fish don't have ethical feet it doesn't mean they can't move- was Re: Ethical feet


"whisky-dave" <whisky-dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "H Duffy" <Hester_Duffy_nospam@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> Yes, that's right, it could. But it could probably not cause muscular
>> damage, unless it was very concentrated and in huge quantities; far
>> bigger than were used here.
>> So we're talking about _cellular_ damage, and not muscular damage. All
>> clear?
> Which are made from cells,

Dave, do you understand the distinction between cellular damage and muscular
damage?

and when these become damged through
> swelling perhaps, while this might not damage muscles as such it can
> certainly
> change their mode of opperation, isn't cramps one of those occasions.

Cramp isn't generally caused by cellular damage, or by swelling, no.

>> But you don't actually know what the quantities _were_, do you?
>> And actually, there is no assumption that the actions are not unconscious
>> reactions; in fact, the site I cited specifically says that it doesn't
>> prove conscious awareness of pain; that implies that the reactions may
>> well be unconscious.
>
> yes and that's why I keep saying that no one has yet proved that fish feel
> pain.

Consciously, no. But it does prove that they have nociception; would you
agree with that?

H


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