Re: Fish don't have ethical feet it doesn't mean they can't move- was Re: Ethical feet


"H Duffy" <Hester_Duffy_nospam@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "whisky-dave" <whisky-dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> "H Duffy" <Hester_Duffy_nospam@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>> What would you call "proper evidence"?
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>> Documented, tested, retested and then result discussed openly.
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> Documented by whom? Tested by whom? Retested by whom?
Those that no what they are doing rather than those quoting things that
just aren't true.

> And what _sort_ of evidence? If it were clearly documented, tested and
> retested and discussed, that fish who have suffered an injury will tend to
> press the injury site up against something, would that constitute proof
> that they feel pain?
No it would not by itself.

> If it were shown, documented, tested and retested, that their heart-rates
> rise in response to injury,
Heart rates rise when they are stressed ,being stressed is
not the same as feeling pain.

>would you accept that as evidence that they feel pain?
> Please be specific here.

NO, is that specific enough ?

Temperature changes means the fish will have to react to that
change in water temerature because they are cold blooded
they have to use breathing i.e heart rate to adjust,
this is NOT a Sign of pain.




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