Re: Fish don't have ethical feet it doesn't mean they can't move- was Re: Ethical feet


"H Duffy" <Hester_Duffy_nospam@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> "H Duffy" <Hester_Duffy_nospam@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>> Finding an unbiased and intelligent source of information in amongst all
>>> that can be tricky.
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>> Yep, and I'm not prepared to take a person serioulsy if they expect me
>> to believe pain is experinced by a wound,
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> It can't be experienced by a wound, but it can (and does, generally)
> originate from physical damage of some sort; see the web page I've linked
> to from my other post.
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> pain comes from the mind,
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> Nope; pain is biological.
But pain is in the mind, because when you are asleep you don't feel pain.
People can feel pain in limbs they don't have because the sensation of pain
is in the mind/brain.


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> You said that if they were run properly, they _would_ prove something. Are
> you changing your mind now?

No, proper tests not just saying boo to a fish and seeing if it jumps.
You design a test which follows the impulses sent from a damaged area
and follow those signals to the brain and find out what those signals do to
the fishes behaviour that can't be attributed to anything else but pain.
If you throw a brick at a fish it won't put it's fins up to push it way
like a human might, but this is not a reaction to pain.
But try an experiment to prove that it's not pain, because you've said
protecting an area is a sign of pain it need not be a sing of pain but a
sign that protection is need which is totally different experience for
people and fish


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