Re: Fish don't have ethical feet it doesn't mean they can't move- was Re: Ethical feet

From: "whisky-dave" <whisky-dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:11:12 +0100

<kinslerp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> whisky-dave <whisky-dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Well I've not seen 'all' this evidence of pain so I'm not sure yet.
>> Until I see a bit more scientific evidence rather than rhetoric
>> I'm not convinced it's the same feeling.
>
> Fine. We'll graft fish nerves onto your nervous system
> and start on you with a collection of barbed hooks.

And you think that would prove anything, they're grown
ear tissue on the backs or either mice or rats, their hearing didn't
improve.

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Re: Fish dont have ethical feet it doesnt mean they cant move- was Re: Ethical feet (D)
... >>> I'm not calling you names, Dave. ... > about experiments looking at pain, ... > Well, the fish stopped eating, so clearly they werne't looking for food, ... As evidence of the brains rainbow trout has. ...
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Re: Fish dont have ethical feet it doesnt mean they cant move- was Re: Ethical feet
... But _conscious_ awareness of pain is a separate issue. ... So tell me if a fish has no conscious awareness of pain, ... That's the differnce between evidence and proof do you not understand ... > the complex bits of brain needed to grasp that, ...
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... "The research reviewed does not demonstrate that fish have a conscious ... > *heh* No, Dave, not me. ... So what sort of pain are you insisting fish feel? ... >> bound in leather siting on a shelf next to you, but evidence in the real ...
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... > No just show me the evidence. ... As soon as we've established what sort of evidence would convince you, ... > pain as pain can be said to be psychological because it doesn't actually ... >> But someone who worked in a fish shop wouldn't have to prove that they ...
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... You really need to lay off the crack a bit Dave; ... it doesn't make sense to discuss whether or not fish have ... _conscious_ awareness of pain unless we can first decide whether we consider ... > bound in leather siting on a shelf next to you, but evidence in the real ...
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