Re: Fish don't have ethical feet it doesn't mean they can't move- was Re: Ethical feet


"whisky-dave" <whisky-dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "H Duffy" <Hester_Duffy_nospam@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> Such as, for example? The BBC? Academic biologists? Fishermen? Please be
>> specific, rather than just giving vague descriptions.
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> Those that can back up their beliefs with facts that are measurable and
> provable
> and repeatable.

Please be specific rather than just giving vague descriptions.

>> OK, so what sort of evidence _would_ you accept?
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> What sort well there's isn't a spacific sort it has to be
> repeatable and testable, comparible with other tests.

*sigh* I've given you a couple of examples of possible evidence; raised
heart rate and pressing the injured area against something. You don't accept
that those would show evidence of pain; can you think of any examples which
_would_? See, we could show over and over again that injured fish have an
increased heart rate; that would be repeatable and testable; it would be, in
scientific terms, reliable. However, you don't feel that it would indicate
pain; in scientific terms, you don't think it's valid.
Now, obviously whatever evidence we want to use to show whether or not fish
can feel pain would have to be reliable, but it would _also_ have to be
valid.
So, can you think of any forms of evidence which you would consider _valid_?
I'm not asking you whether they should be reliable, whether they should be
repeatable, I'm asking you to try to think of what might prove that fish
feel pain, if it were reliable. OK?

>> No; I want to know specifically what sort of evidence you _would_ accept.
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> The same sort you'd expect of aliens.

Depends what sort of aliens. If we find fossilised bacteria in rocks from
somewhere other than earth, I would accept that as evidence of
extra-terrestrail life. I'm pretty sure that wouldn't prove that fish feel
pain though.

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