Re: Fish don't have ethical feet it doesn't mean they can't move- was Re: Ethical feet


"H Duffy" <Hester_Duffy_nospam@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> "H Duffy" <Hester_Duffy_nospam@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>> As soon as we've established what sort of evidence would convince you, I
>>> will go and see if such evidence exists, OK?
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>> Tell me what you mean by sort because I have no idea what your talking
>> about.
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> OK, this is what I thought;
Pity you didn't act on that thought then.


> not. Heart-rate is an example of a possible measure, but we're rejecting
> that one; I want you to come up with another possible measure, which _is_
> valid, and which we can't reject.

That's the probelm I can't think of one and biether has anyone else for the
past few hundred years, that's why the subject is still debatable,
peole still say talking to plants helps them grow but I've seen no such
evidence of that either.


> In other words, I want you to say something along the lines of "We could
> measure X, and that would tell us whether fish feel pain or not", where
> "X" is some behavioural or neurological thing that we could measure or
> observe.
Why not ask the professionals in the field.

> You might feel that one single measure isn't enough, in which case you
> might want to say "We could measure X and observe Y, and between the two
> (or three, or however many) that would tell us whether fish feel pain or
> not"
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> Is that clearer?

yes so go prove it.
I know you've think increased heart rate could, but as I said I rejected
that immediately.

So in your profession what would, prove to you that babies
felt pain, try a really easy one first that is prove to me that babies feel
pain.




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