Re: Fish don't have ethical feet it doesn't mean they can't move- was Re: Ethical feet


"whisky-dave" <whisky-dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "H Duffy" <Hester_Duffy_nospam@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> Because they can't tell me what _you_ would accept; they could tell me
>> what _they_ accept, but you've made it clear that that's irrelevant to
>> you.
> I would listen to professionals, not veggies with a degree in recycling
> and have
> a chip on their shoulder about animal rights and plant bombs under peoples
> cars.

Excellent; me too. one of the problems with researching this sort of
question is that most of the sites are biased; they're either Animal Rights
people saying that of course the poor fluffy bunnies feel pain and anyone
who says not is an evil psychopathic murderer who gets pleasure out of the
suffering of other creatures, or they're fishermen who say that of course
fish don't feel pain, what do you think they are, psychopaths who get
pleasure form other creatures' suffering?
Finding an unbiased and intelligent source of information in amongst all
that can be tricky.

>> Prove _what_, Dave? I'm not stating a case here, I'm asking you to give
>> me some examples of behaviours which would prove that fish feel pain, or
>> that they don't.
> I haven't seen such behaviours that can't be put down to distress or
> illness.

But can you imagine any, hypothetically?

>> yes, I know, and you _keep_ repeating that, for some reason. I'm not
>> trying to convince you that an increased heart-rate is proof of pain, I'm
>> trying to find out from you what _would_ be proof of pain.
> That's the problem I don't know of anything.
> As I said it's liek asking you what would be requird for you
> to believe that anything from a rock to a goth comes from earth rather
> than mars.
> It's all very well to say run tests but what will they mean.

*heh* I've already answered that question, haven't I?

>> You know they used to believe that babies didn't feel pain? They used
>> paralytic drugs instead of anaesthetics for young babies; after all, if
>> they weren't struggling or crying (because they'd been injected with
>> curare and therefore were physically unable to cry or struggle) they must
>> not be feeling anything.
>> Except that of course that's not true; babies feel pain just as we do.
>
> <My Yoda impression> Prove it, just how would you.

I answered that one too.

H


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