Re: Fish don't have ethical feet it doesn't mean they can't move- was Re: Ethical feet


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>> Why not ask the professionals in the field.
>
> Because they can't tell me what _you_ would accept; they could tell me
> what _they_ accept, but you've made it clear that that's irrelevant to
> you.
I would listen to professionals, not veggies with a degree in recycling and
have
a chip on their shoulder about animal rights and plant bombs under peoples
cars.


>> yes so go prove it.
>
> Prove _what_, Dave? I'm not stating a case here, I'm asking you to give me
> some examples of behaviours which would prove that fish feel pain, or that
> they don't.
I haven't seen such behaviours that can't be put down to distress or
illness.


>> I know you've think increased heart rate could, but as I said I rejected
>> that immediately.
>
> yes, I know, and you _keep_ repeating that, for some reason. I'm not
> trying to convince you that an increased heart-rate is proof of pain, I'm
> trying to find out from you what _would_ be proof of pain.
That's the problem I don't know of anything.
As I said it's liek asking you what would be requird for you
to believe that anything from a rock to a goth comes from earth rather than
mars.
It's all very well to say run tests but what will they mean.

>> So in your profession what would, prove to you that babies
>> felt pain, try a really easy one first that is prove to me that babies
>> feel pain.
>
> You know they used to believe that babies didn't feel pain? They used
> paralytic drugs instead of anaesthetics for young babies; after all, if
> they weren't struggling or crying (because they'd been injected with
> curare and therefore were physically unable to cry or struggle) they must
> not be feeling anything.
> Except that of course that's not true; babies feel pain just as we do.

<My Yoda impression> Prove it, just how would you.




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