Re: Fish don't have ethical feet it doesn't mean they can't move- was Re: Ethical feet


"whisky-dave" <whisky-dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "H Duffy" <Hester_Duffy_nospam@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> Strong acid sitting ina bottle doesn't cause pain. Strong acid poured
>> onto unprotected living tissue causes tissue damage which triggers a
>> chain reaction which includes the biochemical process we define as
>> "pain".
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> You define it as pain no one else seems to.

*heh* So if I poured strong acid on your skin, you wouldn't say it was
painful?

>> And your evidence for this is what, exactly? Remember, you've set the
>> standard here; I want repeatable experimental evidence from an unbiased
>> source which proves that pain is always and exclusively in the brain,
>> please.
> I've told you cutting the legs of students.

That's hypothetical, and wouldn't actually prove that pain is processed in
the brain.
Plewase show me some _actual_ evidence which proves that pain is located in
the brain and not elsewhere.

> Cutting peole out of car accidents where a leg is trapped damges still
> Just how many times do I have to post this evidence of cutting students
> legs.

It's not evidence, Dave; it's purely hypothetical, and in any case, it
doesn't prove what you say it proves.

>> Until you get it right, or show repeateable experimental evidence from an
>> unbiased source that you're right. Is that fair?
>
> NO.

So the standards you set were not fair?

>> You measure the current, or you put some other device in the circuit
>> which will react if there is a current.
> But unless it's a filament or something that will becomne illuminated by
> the signal
> you won't see the light (now there's a suprise).

That's right. But that doesn't mean the signal isn't there, does it?

>> Exactly; the signal is there, even if you're not consciously aware of it.
> If yuo're not away of the pain then you can't really call it pain can you.

It depends what's going on, I think. If the biochemical processes are still
signalling pain, then i think it would be fair to say that you're in pain
but you just can't feel it because of anaesthetic.

> Pain describes what you feel, you don't normally feel the burning
> sensation
> of strong acid/alkaline in your stomuch unless soemthing is very very
> wrong
> because the 'pain' receptors aren't in the stomoch to recive strong
> chemicals
> and decide it's pain.

Actually, the reason the acid in your stomach doesn't hurt is because your
stomach is lined with thick mucus which precents the acid from doing any
damage. If the lining is damaged, you get an ulcer, and they, I'm told, hurt
like ***.

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