Re: Haine has a go

On 21 Nov, 08:04, nuffink <m...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:46:22 +0000, The Wanderer <m...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:



But he also said the test would be to see what work can be done.

Alright, look at that in a slightly different light - what work, if any,
the individual is capable of doing. Is that so wrong? Is there any reason
why an individual shouldn't contribute their bit towards society if the y
are capable, rather than stick out a hand for benefits?

But its the Doctors, consultand and surgeons who say what a person is
capable of, NOT the Government. It will only take one poor sod being
forced into a job and who falls or hurts himself or someone else so
badly that legal action will be taken.
If I were an employer, I wouldnt want tp employ me or anyone like me

The crux of the matter is whether or not such work will pay as much as
benefits - but that's altogether a different argument.

No the crux of the matter is that vulnerable people will be harassed
and embarrassed into work that they probably are unfit for.
Yep there are probably benefit fiddlers but Im not interested in them.

Mind you, I do find it interesting that the test will take in keyboard and
mouse skills. Wonder how many posters will suddenly go to ground....

Exactly. They coud say "Hey you can operate a computer so we can train
you as a a computer operator" PASS TEST

See above.

Its OK training something to do something. Its another thing to find a
job for that person. when he/she may need a lot of time off work or as
in my case be in bed for weeks on end.



Next!.

Your post suggests you are in favour of putting out a hand for benefits
than work if you are capable of so doing.

Shows how badly you misunderstand things

Actually its not medical people who will say what you are capable of.
They will know what you can't do because of your condition, but won't
have the first clue what you can do.

eg arthritis in leg joints. They may know that you cannot play
football or rugby. But won't know about your ability to drive a
forklift. Or your ability to load a truck. Or your ability to enter
data onto a spreadsheet database.

The government can offer loads of training (they do already). But
can't find you work if you don't also make an effort.
However, they also don't need to pay you jobseekers allowance at the
full rate.....

And I'm not so sure we misunderstand things. Can you explain?

Martin <><
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