Re: At least 25 people ripped off in 3 days!


"Tom" <no@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Sid wrote:
"Sanddancer" <Fnaqqnapre2002@xxxxxxxxxxx - Rot13> wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 May 2006 12:16:34 +0100, "Peter Crosland"
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Sanddancer wrote:
On Tue, 23 May 2006 11:18:47 +0100, "Peter Crosland"
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Well I've just been on the phone to Barclaycard. They say that
there's nothing they can do against an individual. If it were
against eBay themselves or another company then things would be
different. They've said to use eBay's dispute system.
Unfortunately I've got to wait until Thursday before eBay will let
me do this.
Barclaycard are bullshitting! If it is over £100 then they are
liable and can be forced to refund you. Don't let them get away from
their responsibilities.

Peter Crosland

Do you have any proof? They told me they can only act against a
company, not an individual. I'd much rather go straight to
barclaycard, get the money back and forget about it.
Of course. The Consumer Credit Act makes them liable. Take look here
for
details

http://www.bbc.co.uk/consumer/guides_to/law_credit.shtml

Remember you paid Paypal not the seller. Don't let Barclaycard get away
with
it!


Peter Crosland

Thanks, I'll take a look later, I've got to pop out.

Barclaycard know that I used PayPal, the girl on the phone said she
uses eBay and knew how it worked (or so she said). Can they take
action against them even though PayPal haven't actually done anything
wrong?

it isn't about right or wrong. any business that accepts credit card
payments exposes itself to chargeback risk. if paypal want to continue to
use credit cards they have to accept the terms and conditions of the
credit cards (which state paypal have the chargeback liability).
paypal is unusual in that when you buy off ebay, your card pays paypal
and paypal pays the seller, so some will say incorrectly that you are
using your card to fill up your paypal account, then using the funds to
buy from the seller, therefore the credit card is not liable as there are
two seperate transactions, to my mind this is incorrect, as the CC logos
are displayed on the sellers listings, and you use the CC to buy
something from that seller, what goes on in between computer servers is
irrelevant to the buyer.
Sid

There are two separate transactions, as you say the card pays paypal and
paypal pays the seller, if thats not two transactions then what is it?

Yes it is two seperarate transactions, that is what i said.
What I stated as incorrect, was the belief that the CC is not liable
(because of the 2 transactions).
it is reasonable for a CC to ask the buyer to go through the PP dispute
process, as this may yield proof that the item was delivered.
Sid


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